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Hi everyone and welcome to today's podcast. Today's conversation centers on what it means to rebuild a life after the sudden and unexpected death of a spouse, while also raising children, leading a career, and learning to make peace with an uncertain future. I am joined by Yvette, a 52-year-old executive, mother, and widow, who speaks with remarkable honesty, humor, and hard-won wisdom about life after losing her husband Andy. In this interview we explore anticipatory grief and traumatic loss, the practical and financial realities no one prepares you for, navigating milestones without your person, the unexpected gifts that grief can bring, and what it looks like, four years later, to begin to thrive.
Yvette, I am so pleased to have you here with us today. Let's just start off and have you introduce yourself to our listeners.
YVETTE
Oh, gosh, I always hate that question. It's a big question. My name is Yvette. I am a 52-year-old mom and executive living in Southern California, and I'm a widow, which I say a lot, actually, I try to say a lot, because it's, it's, it's become such a big part of my identity, but also not all of my identity, so, but that's, that's the highlights.
JENNIFER
You know, I don't know that I've ever had anyone introduce themselves as a widow in their introduction. So I look forward to exploring that with you today. Tell us about your husband, Andy. Who was he, and whatever you're comfortable sharing about the circumstances that led you into your current situation.
YVETTE
Sure, I love the chance to talk about Andy, as you know, I'm sure from all of your folks that you work with, there's nothing that I like more than giving it, getting a chance to talk about somebody I love still today so much, and who was such a big part of my life, but who, because he's no longer here, you know, doesn't come up as much in conversation as he used to. So Andy and I were married for almost 20, he died just before we had our 20th wedding anniversary, and we were together five years in addition to that. So 25 years of my life. I met him when I was young. I was, I was 25, he was almost 17 years older than I was. So I was a second wife, and we had two, we have two beautiful children together, and I also have a stepson. He had a son from his first marriage. Andy was incredible. He was he was a smart and, you know, personable, ambitious, successful person who was also just a great dad and a great husband. He was not perfect. He could be a pain in the ass. He could be all sorts of things that were not, you know, but, but overall, net, net, he was a great person. And I think one of the things that I say to people is one of the reasons my kids and I are thriving even despite having lost him very suddenly, was that he left us feeling so loved. And my, you know, we knew without question how loved and how proud he was of us, which is I try to tell all the people who are parents like, just tell your kids every day, because if anything happens to you, as long as they know that you loved them and you were so proud of them, you're going to leave them in such better shape. So, the circumstances. As you know, he was, felt out of the blue. In retrospect, probably not as out of the blue as it should have been. He had a stroke, a minor stroke, that then led to finding out that that was caused by stage four stomach cancer, and it was advanced enough that there was never a question that it would not be terminal. We thought that he would have closer to 12 to 18 months. He always said five years. I never knew where he came up with that number, but the doctor certainly didn't give us that indication. But so we thought 12 to 18 months. I thought 12 to 18 months. He actually died 10 weeks after his diagnosis. So I didn't even get didn't even get a quarter. And so that was, I always knew it was going to be fast. I certainly did not expect it to be as fast as it was. So, yeah, that's the story
JENNIFER
I'm so sorry to hear. I mean, to know about Andy's death, and it's interesting.
YVETTE
You were there, the journey with me. I couldn't, I couldn't have gotten it through it without you. You know that I hope.
JENNIFER
Thank you very much. You know, when you first reached out, it was because you wanted support, because your husband was living with a life-threatening illness, and then all of a sudden, unexpectedly, he died. And so you had both. You had this living, this anticipatory grief, this, you know, preparing for a life ending illness and then the experience of a sudden, unexpected loss. And what was it like holding or living with those two realities that you found yourself in all at once?
YVETTE
You know what's interesting, even hearing you say those terms, I didn't know any of those terms, right? Four years ago, I didn't know the term anticipatory grief. I didn't really know that there was a difference when it was traumatic loss. I didn't know that there were, and I do remember, I think I called you from the hospital after he died, and I think you said to me, okay, we're switching into traumatic loss mode. And I was like, I didn't even know what that meant, but you knew that, that you knew that suddenly something different. And so I think going through it, all I'm saying is I was just going through it and not, not aware of the nuances of those two things, the different stages. So I think it was actually very useful for me to have, you name it for me and help me understand that, that I was going to shift, you know, from one thing to another. So, so that was helpful. It's hard to say. How do you hold it? I think all I know is, I'm very, very happy that I had the instinct from the moment he got sick, that I needed help, and that my kids needed help, and even he, we even had him talk to someone a few times before he passed. And I think the fact that we had that made all the difference in the world, and then let me have a place to go when I would say, I don't know what's happening now, I don't understand this feeling. I don't and so I think I guess what I'm trying to say is it never felt like holding multiple things. It just, it just was always like, I'm holding the thing today, the thing today, and that's all I can do, is hold the thing today.
JENNIFER
I love that. I love that. Because, first of all, you know, we're looking at this as a bird's eye view right now from four years ago, but in that moment, kind of every day was something new. And so you were just, I know you were very intentional about being present in the moment,
YVETTE
Yes, and well, and creating ways to keep moving through the moments in as effective, as healthy a way as possible. Because so often, as you know, your instinct is, I just want. I just want. I want the world to swallow me up. I want. I, you know, there's many times you're begging to not wake up the next day because you can't imagine bearing another day of the pain and the confusion and all that. And so all you try to do is figure out this. And I remember I would talk to you sometimes, and you'd be like, Did you do your, did you go on a walk? Did you drink water, like the, like, basic house plant rules of you know, sunshine, water, etc., because that's all you can manage.
JENNIFER
Thank you for naming those feelings about, you know, like, can I bear another day? Will the world swallow me up? Or having that hope, because I think a lot of people experience that and don't know what to do with those feelings. And they're very scary, so I appreciate that. Yeah, in those early months after his death, where did you struggle the most? What do you remember and where did you find that unexpected strength?
YVETTE
It's funny. I was just talking to a friend earlier today who's going through a divorce and he's in the early stages of the, this is not what I thought my future would be. This is not what I thought my life would be, and I don't know what's ahead. And I said, that is what I remember being. The scariest, the hardest is this idea. You know, it's so funny that we tell ourselves this story, that somehow, we can write the vision of our life, and somehow that's it's gonna come true if we work hard enough and we make the right choices, and blah, blah. And when you go through something like this, what you what you're so, hits you so hard across the face is like that was always a lie, like your life was never, was never promised to you in the form that you have, you know, written it in your head and that is, it's a very powerful, just to have that illusion ripped away, is really powerful and very scary, and then to say, Well, shit, like, there's, I don't the rest of the book is blank now, it's blank. How do like, I have to rewrite this? I have to write this on my own? I have to, and I don't. I don't feel capable of it. I don't feel strong enough. I don't feel I don't I don't know how to do that. I think that for me, I don't even want to, you're right, like, I don't even want to do it. How can I, how can I write this without him in it? Yeah, no, that was probably for me, like, coming to terms. And, look, I still come to have to come to terms sometimes today. But that, I think that awareness, that it was all gone, all my vision of the future was gone, and I had, I had to re, at some point, recreate it. I think that.
JENNIFER
Before you go on, let me just give name to that as well. So you're referring to the shattering of the assumptive world. And that's that world that you had created in your mind that we all do, That were so certain of. Yep, that you've got control over and if we work hard, we're going to be rewarded, we're going to get it. And then something traumatic happens, and that world just shatters, and it's like the rug has been pulled under, out from underneath you, and oh my gosh. Now, what?
YVETTE
Yeah, I was just telling my friend today, the one getting divorced, and I said, you know, it's like the world not only the rug analogy, but itā€™s like the ground also now is shaking and unsteady and I said, I promise you, you're going to get back to a point where the ground is solid again. But right now it feels like you're in one of those, like, fun house things where you just can't grab, you can't get your balance no matter what, and you are just, you know, you're literally on your knees every day, kind of emotionally, sometimes physically, but like, you are on your knees and you are just trying to, every time you try to stand up, you fall over. I mean, that's what it feels like, and it's a hard thing.
JENNIFER
Yeah. Do you remember where you found unexpected strength? And I know most people hate the phrase, you're so strong because, like, you have a choice.
YVETTE
I know. Yeah, I was just saying that to another it was on my widow walk. I have another friend who's widow, and she and I go on our widow walks, and we were both saying that, that it's like, so annoying when people say, Oh, you're so strong. You're like, I'm sorry. What was my what was the alternative? Like, like,
JENNIFER
Yeah, but yet, you did have to rely on internal strength.
YVETTE
Yes, I think, look, I, I was, I was saying the other day to somebody, I am so deeply grateful that what I said before, this happened, but I, but I had no unfinished business or bad feelings, or anything with my marriage, or with him, with the kids. So like we, from an emotional place. It was, it was this happened in a very strong emotional place for us. So I had that right. I knew, I knew my husband knew he was loved. I knew we were loved. That was very important. I took, I took a lot of strength from that. I took a lot of strength from the, what I call the kind of the net that just activated below me, which was the friends and the colleagues and the family, and what you recognize, what I recognized, is all those years of building relationship and building community, that's when it matters, because all of a sudden you are, you quite literally feel like you're falling, and this, this net of people activates below you so that you still fall, that you just don't, you know, You don't shatter on the ground quite as much and so there were just, there was there was, so I can't name them all right. There were so many people, some of them who surprised me, who were not people I expected, who just gave me the support and the grace and the just the consistent little touch bases that just helped keep going, that third party support you, and the kids therapists and the professionals who helped us name it and guided us through it, and then, and then I had, I changed jobs. But for a bit, I went back to a job that, you know was supportive, and I had colleagues, and then I had a change to an even better situation for myself, that external purpose, that external thing I could do, helped me focus some energy outside of the craziness of the grief was very useful. So I would say those are all the, I also read a lot, I listen to podcasts, and I'm so happy that there's even more content like this and other places now. There wasn't much four years ago, but it's so wonderful to me to see how much more content there is out there, to make it so that you understand that this feels so unique, but it's actually so universal.
JENNIFER
Yeah, you started to talk about changing jobs and, you know, kind of an external purpose. And I was going to ask you, How did his death change your career and those life priorities?
YVETTE
It's so funny, because I think in some ways, I thought that it changed it more than it actually did now that I sit here and I look at it, but what, what it immediately did was, and this was less of a kind of I couldn't do the job I had, literally could not do it anymore, the requirements of the job, and to do it at the level that needed to be done, and the travel and the just because I was now a single mother of teenagers, I just I couldn't fulfill those, those requirements, and they were giving me a lot of grace. But it was only a matter of time before that was, so I had to make a change because of that, and I did, and I luckily found a role in a company that's led by a good friend with, you know, people at senior levels who also were widows, who understood the journey I was on. And so they just gave me the most incredible space and time to tippy toe, back into a working situation and so that was very, very supportive. So I think in my mind at the time, I thought, Okay, I'm going to I need to scale back, and I need to move slower, and I don't need to be this sort of hard charging, ambitious career person. It's actually turned out that that's not true. It actually turned out, you know, as soon as I sort of had my my strength again, I'm right back to being the hard charging you know, ambitious work is kind of my identity. Now, the kids all have also left home now, so that again, but it's funny, it didn't change as much as I thought it did. It just sort of for a temporary period of time, it shifted.
JENNIFER
Well, you were open to meeting your needs, the kids needs, the dogs needs and not quite sure what the future was going to look like, like you said that blank book, which is so scary, but once you had some of these other things take care of themselves, you naturally found your way back.
YVETTE
Yeah, I will tell you. The one observation I have of something that hasn't gone back is I used to feel like I had to be, I liked a very active sort of participant in the world, meaning, you know, like world, what was happening in the world, what was happening politically, what's happening socially and culturally. And I like to consume all sorts of content all over the place. I have actually narrowed that considerably, because I think a lot of that for me was really at the time, I just couldn't like I was, I couldn't absorb the bad news, right? And the ugliness and the like. I just literally couldn't hold it alongside everything else. What I learned, I think, though, is that actually I'm a lot calmer and more peaceful when I manage the consumption of stuff, and so I'm much more intentional than I've ever been about what gives me energy, what fills me, what completes me. How do I pay attention to that in a way that I didn't before. And I think I'm back where I could open that aperture up again, but I don't want to anymore. I'm sort of like, no. You know, that was not, that was not good for me to be someone who felt like, yeah, so that's the change I've noticed that has in terms of changing of priorities. And it's just my identity is different in that sense. I don't feel like I have to show up in that way as much. And I've narrowed the number of people I spent, even my own friend group, like I have a very, very wonderful friend group, but it's smaller, and I'm very intentionally keep it smaller, and that just feels right now at this stage.
JENNIFER
I love how, you know, of course, we never want anything like this to happen. And I'm not a fan of the word silver linings. But you know, grief makes us look at everything and reflect on every part of our life, and it's an opportunity to what's working and what's not, and who am I? What do I like about myself? What do I want to carry forward? And you said you were intentional in that, and, you know, and it has shaped who you are now, because you made those decisions like, this wasn't the right thing for me.
YVETTE
Yeah, so you said something to me. I remember I made me angry when you said it to me. Originally, you said, there will be gifts. There will be gifts. And I remember being like, What are you talking about? That is the most ridiculous, horrible sounding thing. How could there be gifts from this profound, painful loss? But you were right. You were right. There have been gifts. There's absolutely things that, of course, you would go back and change it to the way it was if you could, but you you can't help but acknowledge that, yeah, there are things that are better, and there are things that I have learned, and there are there are gifts that have been given.
JENNIFER
I don't know that you told me I made you angry. I'm sorry, but a traumatic event,
YVETTE
You shouldn't apologize. It was the anger of having that like, yeah, considering that at that moment, and I probably needed it, because then I could hold on to like, okay, there's a bit in that exact moment when I heard the words, I remember being like, Oh yeah, you had a visceral response to that.
JENNIFER
But it is, you know, sometimes we get caught in our day to day, and it something traumatic. I like the word disruption has to happen for us to look at things differently. And I wish it wasn't something like this. But there can be, going back to the gifts. A couple months ago, you shared with me a podcast that you were on, and it was so wonderful. I keep telling my mom, you need to listen to this. You need to listen to it. And the podcast was Liberty Road. And in this podcast, you shared an email that you sent to your friends, and I believe the email was titled unsolicited advice. And it just was so good, and I was wondering if you could share a little bit about that email and why it felt so important to write.
YVETTE
So it's really, if there's one thing I could change about this whole process of grief and loss, it would be that somehow you could push pause on the administration of life so that someone could move through the grief and the loss and not have to immediately jump into the administering of death, right? And that you have no choice, what happens is, you know, immediately you have to start dealing with it. I especially had to deal with it because we had a strangely traditional marriage in the sense that Andy took care of everything sort of financially and the business of our life, and I had, very conveniently for me, for many years, been like, great, he's got it. I don't have to pay attention. So when he died, and all of a sudden, I had to figure out how to keep paying the bills and just manage our lives, because nothing pauses. I was very overwhelmed, and it didn't, and I didn't. I wasn't prepared, and I was so angry at myself in those months after that I hadn't been more of a participant in the business of our lives and I was so, it added to the grief and the and the pain, because it wasn't as easy as me knowing, okay, here's the login for this. I'm going to go do it. Going to take care of it. I had to be like, I don't know the login for this. So now there's seven more steps that I have to go do when I have no energy, I have no desire, I have no, and by the way, every time you do any one of those things you're just confronting again your spouse, it's like this constant, like, knife, knife, knife, because you're telling someone, okay, I don't have the password. My husband died. Oh, well, we need to. Um, so that email came about because after months and months of me essentially complaining to my friends about all this horrible extra pain that I was going through by my own fault, really, they kept saying, oh my gosh, I didn't know that. Oh my gosh. I had, oh my gosh. And so I decided one day, I was like, I'm going to write my friends an email that just says, Hey, you're not asking for advice, but here's all the things I wish I knew, here's all the things I wish I had done that Andy and I had done before he died, that would have just made this a tiny bit easier. And by the way, it's not just a spouse. I see it now with my friends who are losing parents. They're going through the same, a version of the same thing, which is there they don't get to just grieve, because they have to go figure out all these 1000s of details that just hit you like an avalanche, and it's, I just what I wish for everyone, if they can't get the pause, that at least they're as tied up and prepared as possible.
JENNIFER
Yeah, we'll put a link to that podcast episode because I was like, I asked somebody today, are you a card owner or you a card holder? You know?
YVETTE
Because yeah, that was, that was, that was probably one of the very first things that happened that really was, was thinking I had to call and tell the credit bureaus that he was gone right away. And the minute I did that, having my credit cards shut down because I just had a card in my wallet that had my name on it, but it turned out I was not a credit holder with those banks, and I had no idea I was going to trigger that. And the minute I triggered that, it created all sorts of other complexity for me, and it was just, I just didn't know. I didn't know, I would have made a different choice. Had I known that.
JENNIFER
Absolutely, so we're going to get that information out, because it was so good. What's it been like you mentioned, the kids are now grown. They've left the house. So what's it been like to navigate those milestones, graduations and relationships and everything without Andy there to share them with you?
YVETTE
Yeah, my friend and I the widow, the other widow, she and I were talking about this the other day. It's, I feel for any single parent for any reason that they're a single parent out there in the world, because I've only had a few years of experience so far on it. And it is, it is rough to just make all of the decisions and not have the person you know to to look at something that's happening with your kid and say, What should we do or wish we did it, or at least even just share so just the loneliness of the not having the partner is hard. And then you get to the milestones, and of course, it's heartbreaking. You know it's heartbreaking to know how proud your person would be to watch their child graduate from high school, or how helpful he would be when your child is struggling with something, you know, so that the two of you could actually attack the problem and help together. It's heartbreaking, and there's no way around it. And I think one of the things I learned through this process is that my grief and how I experience it, and when I experience it, and when those waves come, are going to be naturally different than they are going to be for my children. I have years and years of built-up memories and experiences, and I'm and yes, I'm grieving the future, but a lot of my time is like grieving what I lost for my kids, so much of what they want, they kind of expected for the rest of their lives was, is the stuff that hasn't happened yet. And when my daughter goes to a family wedding, she's crying not because the wedding is so beautiful. She's crying because she's thinking, my father's not going to be here for me.
JENNIFER
He's not going to walk me down the aisle.
YVETTE
She has almost this like projected future experience of grief, right? And so it's just, it's for me. I it's just, it's just become about, how do we give ourselves the grace to allow that grief to show up whenever it's going to show up, and to and actually, and to be okay when it doesn't show up, because sometimes, you know, Father's Day comes and it's horrible, and sometimes it comes in, it was just a day. And so it's how to sort of be okay that whatever, if it comes, you give it space and you let it be what it's going to be. And if it doesn't come you don't let you, don't make yourself feel guilty about the fact that you had a day where you know you didn't think about it. So that's, that's, I think, all I can say about that. But it's, it can be, it can be tough. And I have, I have way more, I have way more empathy, not just for people who spirits death, but who just through divorce or other reasons, just don't have, don't have the your two parents with you.
JENNIFER
Gosh, good stuff to think about and reflect on. We had a chance to catch up before this podcast, and you mentioned, you know now that you are at year four, you no longer feel as terrified, and that you're starting to feel a little bit more like yourself again. Can you say some more about that shift? You also told me; I'm going to quote you back to you this whole thing. And you told me at some point that I would thrive. You actually predicted. You said, you know, there's, there's, there's different ways that people emerge from this. And she you said, I can tell that you are, you are going to end up thriving, and thriving, meaning, like, not only are you going to get to a good place, but you're, you know, you're going to grow from this. They're going to be things that deepen in your life and that you yourself are going to grow and I think you were right at the time. Of course, I've held on to that throughout the years, when, when days are hard, I'm like, Okay, there's you know, I'm moving towards something that's important.
YVETTE
And I do very much feel that now, this year, in a couple weeks, will be four years since we lost Andy and he, he's still with us, we were, I just took the kids on vacation and for spring break and first trip with just the three of us in our lives, that's the only time we've traveled just the three of us, And I expected it to be very sad, but instead it was, it was like Andy was there, and we talked about him, and he was with us, but he wasn't. He wasn't there for in a position of sadness. There was it was, it was something had shifted where, and I think those are the moments that I recognize, or I recognize now that I will go, you know, many days without thinking of him, but not thinking of him. It from a dark place that I will, that I laugh a lot easier than I used to, that I get excited about something that's coming in the future,
and that I'm going to the Masters golf tournament this this week, because we do something for work there. He would have loved to be there. It was. He was a huge golfer. He loved that tournament. And it makes me sad that he's not here for me to go with me.
JENNIFER
But three years ago, the first time I went, I was, it was, it was like wearing a weighted vest all week of just kind of sadness that he wasn't there. This year, I'm I feel lighter and I so it's, I can just feel that shift happening. And that's not to say there aren't hard days.
YVETTE
It's just to say that there's more good days than bad now.
JENNIFER
Yeah, thanks for sharing that as you look forward now, what do you see for your future, and what are you doing to move towards that?
YVETTE
So that funny thing about that is having it was just, again, I was just talking to this friend who's getting divorced. And I was saying, you know, the hardest thing for me for a long time, because, you know, I lost Andy, and then Liam left for college the year after and then Ryan left the year after that. So I sort of felt like I kept experiencing, like, loss after loss, of cumulative losses, yeah, and I hated that very first year when I was a full empty nester. I was on the road, you know, three weeks out of the month, and I hated being in my house alone, and I would do anything to not have too much time, to have to sit with that question that you just asked me, and I would say I'm not sure that I'm in where I am now is I don't need to answer it. I think two years ago, I was in the like, I have to answer it, and I can't answer it because I don't know what I what it's going to look like, and I don't know what I want and and that's so scary to not have the answer, whereas now it's like, okay, I don't have the answer, and that's okay, that actually is okay. And there's a freedom in that, there's a there's an excitement in that, there's also a scariness in it.
But I'm more now in the mode of like, it's okay. It's okay, by the way, I could never actually answer it. I just thought I could even I almost asked you about that, like, what's your future, even though it can at any point change, yeah, and so now it's more about, like, I just think about the, you know, what are the things I want to move towards today? And I try to keep, you know, future ideas and plans kind of loose, you know, it's loose in my in my head, because I don't know, and I'm just, I'm trying to just be excited about that, and that's not just about losing Andy, by the way. I think it's just a midlife thing too, yeah, and an empty nester thing. And it's like, you're just, yeah. So I just try to think, Okay, I'm here about my parents are in the other room. We're going to spend Easter weekend again. Weekend together. And you know what? I get to do that, and I'm going to enjoy them. I don't know how much longer I'm going to have; you know? I don't know. And so that I don't know, it's really, it's making friends with the I don't know also.
JENNIFER
So you've really embraced, how am I going to live my life to the fullest in uncertainty?
YVETTE
Yes, and it, you know, I was on, I did this other podcast, and somebody asked me the question of, how can you handle people who are grieving, like advice for other people? And I was like, you know, what I would say is narrow the timeframe and narrow the aperture for them. So don't ask them how they are. Ask them how they're doing today. Ask them what they are planning for the next year. Ask them what they're planning for the next month. Because, if anything, what you just you don't have the capacity, especially in early grief, to think long term and big, but even later, like I think what you learn is, I don't know. My world got blown up. I can't really rate the rest of it, and I may never be able to again. So why don't I narrow the timeframe a little bit? It's just so I deal in much shorter timeframes. Now that's great.
JENNIFER
So let's close with the question I kind of ask everybody, and that is, what advice would you give to somebody who just experienced a sudden or unexpected, dead spouse, and they're just like, you know, in that stunned bug phase, to get help, like the help I got from you and my friends have from others. I mean, I think to get and it's just have somebody that walks, walks with you that is doing it from a position of experience, and can give you tools and a space, and that can look like a therapist, that can look like a support group, that can look like other ways, but I would say that's been a game changer for me, and especially if you have children, get them help. If there's anything I know now is my children will suffer other kinds of pain and grief and loss in their lives. They just will. But I know with 100% certainty that they know that they have tools now for whatever that is, and that is been, you know, in terms of my ability to thrive makes all the difference, because I know that they are going to be okay, because they learn through this process that there are people and tools and things that they can turn to when life throws you, whatever horrible thing it throws you.
JENNIFER
Great, anything else you want To add before we sign off?
YVETTE
I so appreciate what you know. I mean, it's always great to talk to you, and I will, I am, and will always be, eternally grateful for you walking the walk with me. So I do great work and good work, but it's not life changing work you do life changing work. And I hope that, I hope that you know how important that is, that is so kind of you to acknowledge. And I just want to say it's such a privilege to work with people at this time, and especially those who are really invested in I really want to get some help, and I want my life to be different, and it's very rewarding.
JENNIFER
So thank you. I appreciate that.
Thank you, Yvette, for your honesty, your humor, and your generous willingness to share Andy's story and your own. And thank you to our listeners for being here and bearing witness to this conversation. If you are living in the aftermath of a sudden or unexpected death and are looking for guidance and support, I invite you to visit www.drjenniferlevin.com to learn more, and be sure to check out our WeCARE Loss Support Kits, designed to change the way we support people through loss. Bye for now.
