Jennifer Levin
Hi everyone and welcome to Untethered: Healing the pain from a sudden death. I am Dr. Jennifer Levin, and I specialize in traumatic death and helping individuals through the struggles, pain, trauma, and chaos of an unexpected death. In today’s podcast I interview Debbie Rosenfelt who is a Chaplain for Support 7, the nonprofit organization featured in my previous podcast episode with Executive Director Shannon Sessions. Debbie is also entrepreneur and has had a diverse personal and professional history that she intentionally integrates into helping others empower their life. In today’s interview, Debbie shares the story of her son’s death by suicide which occurred approximately 15 years ago. She reflects back on her early traumatic grief experiences and the routine she developed to help her cope. Debbie also explores what she learned going through her son’s journals, encourages others to talk about suicide, and identifies how her son’s death has changed her. Finally, Debbie shares the professional work she is engaged to help others empower life.
Hi, Debbie, thank you so much for joining us today. Why don't you start off and tell us a little bit about yourself.
Debbie Rosenfelt
Thank you, Jennifer for having me. Very thoughtful. So gosh, my name is Debbie. And I live in the Pacific Northwest. I live in Edmonds, Washington with my husband and son. And, gosh, let's see, what else can I tell you? I love life. I am a chaplain for South County Fire under Support 7. My background has been in finance. And I've worked in corporate America, gosh, for about 27 years. And I decided to move out of corporate and be my own business owner, an entrepreneur. And I love working with business owners and leaders and CEOs when it comes to finance and being a business advisor and just, again, empowering life empowering business, and all that we can do.
Jennifer Levin
Great, great. So as I mentioned in my introduction, in our interview, today, we're going to reflect together on the story of your son, Kenny, on his death by suicide, which occurred almost 15 years ago. And as you know, and we all know, grief has no timeline. But given the amount of years, you've had a chance to process, move towards some healing, and make a lot of decisions based on what's happened. Can you give us a starting place and share how you found Kenny after he died?
Debbie Rosenfelt
Yeah. So we didn't find Kenny, we found out. And so what happened was, it was on December 20, 2008, five days before Christmas, and it had been snowing here. And so my husband and I decided that we were going to go out and do some Christmas shopping in the Bronco because that could get around. But also my other son Brian had called me up and asked if we would come pick him up. So he, my other son, Brian, opened a gym here in Edmonds, where we live, and we've been helping him with that. And so his car didn't drive in the snow. So he said, Hey Mom, could you come pick me up and take me to the gym? So I said, Yeah, we'd be happy to. So we did that. And then then we just went shopping afterwards. And we told him, we would come pick him up right after we were done shopping till around two o'clock or so. And we did all our shopping. And then I called Brian on our way home and said, Hey, we're gonna go home, drop everything off and then we'll come down and pick you up. Because the Bronco was full. And so like 10 seconds later, Brian calls back and and says, Hey, Mom, the police are here asking for you. And I'm going, what? Why am I in trouble or something? And I asked him, I said, Did they tell you what they want? He said no. And I said, Okay, we'll be right down. So we're driving down and it's snowing. And I started thinking about Kenny, I said, You know what? I wonder if this is Kenny and Brian wanting to surprise me that Kenny came home for Christmas. So I called and left Kenny a voicemail. I said Hey Ken, this is mom thinking he'd pick up. He did not. And so we get down to the gym. And we get into the gym and how the gym was built there's this one room with sliding glass doors, but it's all open ceiling. So when we walk in, I'm looking around looking for the places and said Brian, where's the police? And he said, Oh, he's out there. So I'm going okay, so then the guy comes walking in and he decides to close all the doors. And I'm going that's really strange. And then he just looks at me and he says, Are you? Are you Debbie Rosenfeld? And I said, Yes, I am. And he said, Do you have a son by the name of Ken Jones, who lives at 5433 North Pierce Lane, in Prescott Valley, Arizona. I'm putting my hand over my heart right now because I'm feeling the emotion come up. Because I remember that day so vividly. And I said, Yes, I do. And then he looks at me and says, I am so sorry. But your son has committed suicide. And I look at him. And Todd and Brian and Brian's girlfriend, Kelsey was with us, too. And I look at him. And I said, How would you know? And I just looked at, and I said, How would you know? Because Kenny lived in Arizona. We lived here. And he looked at me and he just said, well, the Prescott Valley police contacted us and asked us to reach out to you. And we were all in shock. And, and just dismay, and we're looking at each other, tears are coming down our eyes. And he says what we can do is we can go home, and go to your home. And then we can call the Prescott Valley Police. So then you can talk to them. So okay, so Brian closes the gym down, we get into the Bronco and just head home, in total dismay, and we drive in and, and the police officer comes in, and I really don't remember what happened except that we called and I found out that Kenny died by suicide and that a woman had found him on the ground, as she was going to pick up her son. And that was 8:30 in the morning, and this was two o'clock in the afternoon. So that's how we how we found out and when the police left, you know, well, he told me that we would have to contact the medical examiner or the coroner or whatever. And I'm going well, how do you do that? And how do you find out about a funeral home? And how do you do all this stuff? I mean, you're just in this, this place of disarray and disbelief and you feel like you're in a dream and you have no idea what to do where to go or... And it's just like I just, yeah. I started processing. And yeah, so that's how we found out.
Jennifer Levin
I can only imagine what that must have been like.
Debbie Rosenfelt
Yeah, it was awful. Yeah, it was awful. And it was starting to snow meaning like bucketloads of snow. And as we're processing, I think that was Saturday. And I think I don't I don't even remember if I talked to the coroner, I must have. Because I said well, how do I find a funeral home? And she says, Well, we can't help you with that. What? How does someone do that from out of state? Anyway, it all worked out. Just calling a couple places and yeah, yeah.
Jennifer Levin
What do you remember about the early phases of your traumatic grief?
Debbie Rosenfelt
Yeah. The discord, the disarray of feeling like I was in this surreal dream, like, I was waiting for somebody to wake me up. And though it was also oh, gosh, I had to call his dad. His dad lives down in Petaluma, California and his stepmom and so it was having to share the news with all my family members and I had to call my sister who lives here also close in Seattle, and I had to call her and share with her and I said, please don't tell mom and dad. We are coming down but I need you to know, just in case I just need you to be with them. And like a little while later, we went down and I had to share with them but I wanted to do it in person. Because nothing is worse. I mean, I felt so bad for telling Bonnie and Brian. Kenny and Brian's father and stepmom over the phone. And I couldn't be there with them. And Brian wasn't home. Brian is their dad. And I said, Bonnie, I need you to, I need to talk to Brian. She says, Well, he's not here. I said, I need to talk to Brian. I need to talk to Brian. And I need you to get him. Please. So telling people and then confusion, trying to figure out what happened. And I must say we were very blessed that Kenny left two letters he had emailed them. But it was in his email. And so Brian knew how to get into there because the previous June evidently, Kenny had emailed Brian this information. But he didn't tell me.
Jennifer Levin
What information was that?
Debbie Rosenfelt
Passwords.
Jennifer Levin
So you had access to all of that, or Brian did?
Debbie Rosenfelt
Well, Brian did, but he didn't really know. Until this happened.
Jennifer Levin
That was lucky that you had all of that. I know, some people really struggle with the inability to access information that could be so vital at this time.
Debbie Rosenfelt
Absolutely. And that's why I say we were very blessed. Kenny was very, very thoughtful. And I'm not just saying in this incident, that's Kenny. Throughout his life. He was very thoughtful, very kind, very loving. And he took care of everybody. That was Kenny. He even took care of himself by, he wore his flannel pajamas. He made sure he was warm when he went outside. He made sure to put a little post-it on his driver's license, and gave Brian's name and phone number, put it in a plastic bag and stuck it in his pocket. He had his slippers on. It was like, Kenny? I mean, the thought process that he went through, it was about taking care of everybody else, as well as taking care of himself.
Jennifer Levin
Yeah.
Debbie Rosenfelt
And the question that has always gone through my mind is the police had Brian's information. But they reached out to me and to this day, I still don't know how they knew to call me.
Jennifer Levin
Yeah. That's an interesting one. What were some of the things that helped you process, cope and just be with your grief after Kenny died.
Debbie Rosenfelt
First off was family. We had each other. I was in a senior management position. So I immediately just called the owner and I told him what had happened and I would not be in. We had to figure out how to get to Arizona with all the snow because flights weren't going out or we couldn't get a flight out.
I knew that day that I could not run from my feelings. I actually pulled out my gratitude journal and wrote in there how grateful I was for the 30 years that I had, and I, I had to do that, because I knew in my heart, I could easily go down the dark path. Like, I could go deep down into depression. And, and I couldn't. I don't know how I would have functioned if I didn't write in my gratitude journal. And so, but then also, I had Brian here, I had Todd, I had family reaching out. Now, by all means, I actually that same day, I had a neighbor, come over and bring me some flowers and a card and just share with me how sorry she was. And when she left I said, I don't want these effing flowers. I don't want this card. I want my son back. So my neighbor was being very thoughtful. But that's not what I wanted. And, and so it was allowing myself to talk to people, my friends. I mean, people were very generous. Call me anytime. My, one of my very dear friends brought meals over like soup, just comforting food, crying, and it was it took us a good month to get everything together because we had to figure out how to get out of here. It wasn't until December 23rd that we got out of here. And we ended up going by train, my husband came up with that idea. We took the train down to Sacramento, my aunt and uncle picked us up to take us to the airport. So it's all of this different support that I had around me. And then just allowing myself to grieve and process. But once things settled down a bit, I had my routine, which prior to Kenny's death, I would get up in the morning, take my vitamins, go train with a trainer, work out, come home, get ready for work and go. Well, I did up to coming home, taking a shower. And then I spent literally an hour to two hours like either reading, journaling, crying, processing, reading Kenny's letters, reading his journals, just to allow myself to process. It was like preparing for my day. And what I know today is I was being in the spirit of allowing myself to be in grief, which allowed me to prepare for my day. So I could go do the doing. And by all means when I say doing I was definitely nonfunctional. I thought I could but what going to work did for me is it got me out of the house. It got me away from having to be with my grief 24/7 I needed to get out of here.
Jennifer Levin
Get back into some normalcy.
Debbie Rosenfelt
Exactly. And then I shortened my day. I mean, I got to work by 10, I left by four because I couldn't do any more. I would come home and I would sit and do nothing. And there were times that my body literally would shut down and say, sorry, I'm not gonna let you do any more
Jennifer Levin
It sounds like you really listened to that.
Debbie Rosenfelt
I had to. I had to. Yeah.
Jennifer Levin
Looking back. Did you identify in red flags after Kenny's death? Any clues as to what may have happened?
Debbie Rosenfelt
Well, I shared one of them. And that was that Kenny had sent Brian all his passwords, and I said, Brian, why didn't you say anything? I didn't know Mom. I said, but that's a sign right there. And then another thing, well, the journal said a lot more. He, in one of his journals, he had shared that back in June, he was at a park. And he was wanting to do it then. But then he went into his head and said, what will mom say? Mom will think, well, what's wrong with you? You've got a house and you've got a job and all that. And I'm going, Oh, my gosh, oh, Kenny. I'm so sorry. That though, that's what you were thinking about? of what would mom think? Because he never reached out to anybody, any of us to say, this is what was going through his mind. And one of his journals, he also said, he was wondering if he should be on some kind of medication, because his highs were so high and his lows were so low. And then another sign was the previous year from June of 2007, till February of 2008. He went silent on us. And I had planned to go down to Arizona in June of 2007. And because Kenny and I had talked about it made those arrangements, but he had called, like in March and said, hey, Mom, can we do it next year? And I said, sure Ken, whatever you want. But not thinking he was going to go silent on us. And so I would reach out to him in emails and let him know, I would call and leave him voicemails, but he wouldn't call back. But it wasn't just me. He did this with everybody. Even his close friends, because we found the emails from his friends reaching out to him saying, hey, Ken, what's going on? We even had, I was gonna go down in November of 2007, and we all decided as a family, it would be better for Brian to go down. And so Brian went down. And Brian just hung out with Kenny. But it was like he was honoring Kenny. Because he wasn't reporting back of what was going on until he came back. So, um, so yeah, there were signs that we were able to identify after the fact.
Jennifer Levin
When you saw those, you know, reflecting back, how did that help you process? What did that do for you?
Debbie Rosenfelt
It helped me understand, but I was really, really, really sad for Kenny, and I was sad for Kenny because of how miserable he felt. And it came, what came to mind for me was, who am I to ask my son or anyone for that matter to stay. I mean, as I shared earlier, Kenny took care of himself. Yet that was Kenny's answer. It wasn't my answer. And I wish he would have reached out to us and not that we could have fixed it. I know that. But we could have done everything in our power to get him help.
Jennifer Levin
That's got to be the hardest thing to know your child was suffering. You didn't know and maybe you could have helped.
Debbie Rosenfelt
Something. Something, because I knew I couldn't make it go away but I could have guided him. And I also though know I'm Mom.
Jennifer Levin
Yeah, absolutely. What are some of the things that you've learned about suicide? That you think it's important for other people to know given your experiences.
Debbie Rosenfelt
Talk about it. Talk about suicide.
Jennifer Levin
In what way?
Debbie Rosenfelt
So yeah. So I, I used to listen to KIRO back in the day when Ron and Dawn were on. And they had a gentleman on the phone who was tapping.
Jennifer Levin
I don't know KIRO?
Debbie Rosenfelt
Yeah, well, it's local here in the Seattle area. But this was way back in 2010, 2011. And they had somebody on, and I called, I called in...just that conversation breaks me tears. Just to tell people let people know that they matter. They are loved. And there are people here to help. It's not to fix it, because we can't fix. There's nothing to fix in somebody but they think that inside. And so having a conversation out into the world, and it's not about giving a 1-800 number. It's about having a little comfort, literally a conversation, let's talk about suicide. What is the impact of not talking about it, because there are a lot of people out in the world that are thinking about it. And they're afraid to talk to somebody about it. And I was actually on a Facebook live with a couple of gals who coach and serve teenagers. And it's about serving the parents of kids who go to school, and I was on it to talk about suicide, but just to have the conversation, to open up the doors so parents, and kids could come together to have a conversation. And it was a beautiful time, because what happened was that a mom reached out to both of them, and shared her story of how her child, her son, was talking about suicide at nine years old. And she didn't know what to say, or even do. And I said, just talk about it. If he is coming to you and talking saying he wants to die. Sit down and talk with him. That week after, that's exactly what happened. She sat down with her son, and they talked about it. And she reported back to these two gals and it was such, I can't tell you just hearing that from one person that they were able to talk with their child. So it's like when we can just talk about well, what does why what what is it that's hurting that you want to just die? And it's not to fix it, but just to have the conversation. That's what, that's what I want. And I've learned, let's have that conversation, which we think is taboo. But it's not. It's actually happening. We know that in our work. We see it we hear about it. So if we can make it a safer conversation. I think that would do our world. So good.
Jennifer Levin
I couldn't agree more. Yeah. How did your son's death change your relationship with the rest of your family?
Debbie Rosenfelt
Great question. First, after 90 days, my husband said, when am I going to get the old Debbie back? And I looked at him and I said never, the old Debbie is dead. She died with Kenny. And I think what he was actually saying is when am I going to have Debbie back? The Debbie that I knew. And I said she's not...
Jennifer Levin
Not coming back.
Debbie Rosenfelt
No, it was really, I became more forthright with my family. So, Kenny, we knew this before he died. But Kenny came out to me in 2002 that he was gay. And, and one of the questions that he asked me when he, you know, came out and I said, well, first off, I already knew. But he came out and he said, Mom, are you mad? And I said, Kenny, why would I be mad? And he said, well, Dad was. I said, I'm not your father. I said, Kenny, since you were a little guy, I've told you and your brother, I will love you always, no matter what. I said just please don't be an Axe Murderer. And it was meant to be funny, but I just, I wanted to lighten it. To let him know that he was well loved. And so my father, my, my parents, didn't know because Kenny didn't share that with him. And the reason he didn't share that with them is he didn't want to jeopardize his relationship. He adored his grandparents. He loved them dearly. And he wasn't going to do anything to jeopardize. Because the kids grew up with a grandfather who was very prejudiced and so I was forthright with my father in saying, because my dad did ask me, I wonder if Kenny's, you know, is gay? And I said, well, Kenny would need to share that with you, not I Dad. Well, Kenny never did. And so I was forthright with him and said, and Dad, I want you to know that Kenny was gay. And he was afraid of losing his love. Your love from him if he shared that with you. So I was, I have been more forthright and honest. Yeah. Don't hold back.
Jennifer Levin
How did your son's death impact your relationship with with life and even with direction in your life?
Debbie Rosenfelt
That's a really good question because it impacted it tremendously. Like Kenny was my first son. I experienced first with him with everything. But when I was going back to work, I had to go back to work. My first day I wrote on a post it and I still have it to this day, follow your heart. I worked in corporate America, I was someone that would go 110 miles an hour, and get out of my way. Nothing would stop me. What it changed is to have more... It softened life. And there was no longer 110 miles an hour because there couldn't be, there was no more get out of my way. There was more, if you will say, understanding, compassion. I didn't have the energy for fluff. I didn't, I no longer wanted anyone to ask me the question or talk to me about the weather. I wanted deeper conversation. I wanted to really know about life, it was like, and also what I was noticing that God was putting more people in my life that just needed support with grief. So as simple as when I was having to fly down to San Diego for work, we were waiting for one last passenger and they were going to be sitting next to me it was a woman who just lost her grandfather. And she shared that with me and I just sat through the whole airplane ride and just started asking her questions about her grandfather and about life and what was her favorite memory and she just shined. Yeah, and I see life from a whole new perspective. And life is definitely different. I've gotten out of corporate America, corporate America does not serve people who have been through grief. There needs to be more support in corporate America when it comes to grief challenges, anything for self care for self care.
Jennifer Levin
But everything you had to say about, you know, don't want to talk about the weather or the fluff all of that deeper conversations. I find so many of my clients are right where you are, they just don't have time for the little stuff anymore. It's all about what's important. Not wanting to do the shoulds. No more time for the shoulds in life. It's always that really bring value and pleasure. So I know you're very passionate about a concept that you've described of empowering life. Can you share more about that?
Debbie Rosenfelt
So yes. And it's about loving life, empowering others when it comes to life. And how, if you will, what I noticed how that has come more to the forefront, for me, is in my work with Support 7, and work and serving our community as a chaplain on the worst day of somebody's life. And that actually came to be because I would have loved to have had a chaplain. And so how can I make it easier. But what's happened is, over the four years that I've served, it's been about four, yeah, since 2019 I started this journey. It got really hard, difficult for me to serve. And I just noticed a change in myself. And I don't know what happened. That shifted that, but it did. And I'm between the time of my last time I was on call till today, I have come more alive in noticing how I truly appreciate and love helping people empower their life. And to show them what's possible when someone's struggling. And it shows up in my work, in my grief work. But it also shows up in my work as I work with business owners on their finances, because they feel really drained by that. And I'm going, no, all is good. Let me share with you how you can see it differently. It will just make life a lot easier. And I see that as empowering life. And so it's, I'm working right now, with a colleague on this concept, call it the Path of Grace. And it's helping people, empower people's lives, to show them how they can take care of themselves through grief, through their grief through their loss, or if it's just a challenge. So a major challenge that that we have, but when we can take care of ourselves first. It will allow us to be in the doing of what we need to do. And I see that as lifting people up and empowering life. Yeah. Bringing more to life. Yeah.
Jennifer Levin
So needed. What a great thing. So let me ask you, what's your grief like now? 15 years later? And does Kenny have a presence in your life?
Debbie Rosenfelt
Yeah. So yes, Kenny has a presence in my life, his energy is around. And grief still shows up. So a couple of things. When we had to, we had to go down to Arizona. First off, you know to take care of business with Kenny but then we had to go back down because he had a home. It was his own home and all his belongings. We had to pack it up and bring it up here. A lot of stuff. So, having to go through that stuff. feels number one very violating like I'm going through my son's personal things. But we had to take care of it. And so over the course of the years, I've gotten rid of stuff. But there are certain things that cannot get rid of. There was this Tide bottle on his washing machine that I brought with me. And I used the soap. Well, I don't use Tide. I don't have Tide. I have a Tide bottle in my laundry room that reminds me of Kenny. And it may be what others think is a silly thing. It is silly. But it means the world to me.
Jennifer Levin
Nothing is silly about that.
Debbie Rosenfelt
So when I open up the laundry, the cabinet, it's up there in the corner. But I still see it. It just makes me smile. And then I have some clothes in a plastic bag upstairs that are still his that I'm not quite able to let go off. So it's like I just can't. I just can't. So his presence is around, the memories are still there. I don't dwell on it. But I have little reminders. And then I think of him. And we talk to him, we talk to him as well.
Jennifer Levin
Good for you. Let me ask you one final question. What advice would you give to a parent or parents who have just recently experienced the death of a child or an older child to suicide? What would you tell them? Who are just starting off this difficult...
Debbie Rosenfelt
Yeah, it's not so much advice, but a guide, if you will. Just to allow yourself to grieve. Don't listen to the world. There aren't any shoulds. Excuse me. And just be with your grief and do what you need to do to take care of you. Seek a grief counselor that resonates with you. It's so important. So important. I need to take a quick sip of water.
Talk to somebody that has been through what you've just been through. I cannot tell you how helpful it was for me. And I know it is for other parents who have experienced suicide. When you can talk to somebody that has been through what you've been through we get each other and we don't even have to say anything. We just get each other.
Jennifer Levin
Thank you.
Debbie Rosenfelt
Yeah, you're welcome.
Jennifer Levin
Thank you for going back and reflecting and opening that up again today. And after 15 years I can tell there's so much that you've gained and like you said you love life and I think that's so wonderful and hopeful to see but there's still those moments of tenderness and grief that's still there
Debbie Rosenfelt
Very much so. Very much so.
Jennifer Levin
Thank you for sharing that with us
Debbie Rosenfelt
Thank you Jennifer for having me. I appreciate it.
Jennifer Levin
I am extremely grateful for the insight Debbie provided us today and for jer willingness to share her perspectives about suicide and grief after living her son’s absence for the last 15 years. She continues to grieve and heal by providing spiritual direction to others as a Chaplain and in her business working by empowering grieving individuals in their life.
In listening’s to Debbie’s early grief responses, I was encouraged to hear her describe such an acute level of self-awareness that she used to guide her through the pain and grief of Kenny’s death. For example, after learning of his loss, Debbie stated that she had to rely on gratitude for the time she had with her son as a protective measure from getting lost in a spiral of depression and despair. She also remembers acknowledging that she could not run from her grief but instead needed to experience the pain despite the difficulty that accompanied her feelings.
Debbie also shared the grief routine she developed and utilized to help cope with her grief after her son’s suicide. I highly recommend creating and using a routine and sense of structure after an unexpected death to my clients after their world has been turned upside down and inside out. It can be so helpful in bringing a sense of normalcy, predictably, and sense of order to a very chaotic time in someone’s life. In her routine, Debbie engaged in both restorative and grief related activities (for more information on this refer to the model developed by Schultz and Schultz) and she listened to her body, shortened her day at work, read books about grief, and just sat with her feelings.
When our interview transitioned to the topic of suicide, Debbie shared how Kenny’s journals helped her process what had happened. Many people who experience an unexpected death of a loved one to suicide are left with so many answered questions and spend a significant amount of time after the suicide trying to look for signs or answers to understand the reason why their loved one decided to end their life. They often search for what they may have missed and or blame themselves for things they believe could have been done differently in hopes of a different outcome. Today, Debbie described how Kenny’s journals provided her with some answers and insights regarding his mental health and general state of mind and this information helped facilitate some of her healing. She reflected on Kenny’s decision to send his passwords to his brother, what it was like to read his journals, and learn about his previous suicidal thoughts. We also heard the sadness she experienced as a mother connecting to the deep pain that her son chose to keep to himself.
The sudden death of loved one changes us to the core and the suicide death of Debbie’s son altered the way she lived her life and interacted with others. During our time together she acknowledged that she no longer holds back, is more forth right, straight forward, and honest in her communication with others. She also lives her life differently as evident by the way she described a slower pace in work and the increased level of compassion, understanding and empathy she now has for others and their pain. She is also able to see life from a new perspective which helps her in her professional work and providing spiritual guidance to others. And as Debbie described it, she also comes alive and continues healing when helping others empower their life – whether they are struggling with grief, finances, or business opportunities by providing a fresh way to look at things. She excels in developing ways to lift people up during grief and to take care of their themselves to empower life.
I want to thank Debbie for her time today - for sharing Kenny’s story, how she coped with traumatic grief, her insights related to suicide after 13 years of grieving and growing and her healing process with us. If you would like to connect with Debbie please join our Facebook Group Talking about the Podcast Untethered with Dr. Levin. You can also learn more about her and her consulting business, working with leaders who have experienced loss or intense sorrow.
Our next two podcast episodes are also related to suicide in honor of suicide prevention month. On September 7th Joy and Richard participate in an emotional interview about their experiences after their daughter, Syra, ended by suicide approximately 3 years ago and then on September 26, Leia and Teya, Joy and Richard’s other daughters share their grief experiences and how Syra’s suicide has impacted their family. Both interviews are powerful and moving and illustrate the intense impact suicide has on a family and incredible power love has in healing.
Thank you so much for joining today’s episode of Untethered Healing the Pain After a Sudden Death. To learn more about hope and guidance after sudden or unexpected death please visit therapyheals.com and sign up for my monthly newsletter Guidance in Grief at www.therapyheals.com. Bye for now.