Jennifer Levin
Hi everyone and welcome to Untethered: Healing the pain from a sudden death. I am Dr. Jennifer Levin, and I specialize in traumatic death and helping individuals through the struggles, pain, trauma, and chaos of an unexpected death. In today’s podcast I interview mother and son, Betty and Joey Dowling, and we explore the concept of cumulative grief. When someone experiences multiple deaths, one right after one another, we refer to this phenomenon as cumulative grief because there is not time to process the grief from one loss, before the grief from the next death sets in. All of the sudden the emotions and grief from each death start to blend together. Today Betty and Joey share the story of the sudden death of Betty husband’s and Joey’s father Tom and then later the expected deaths of Betty’s two son’s and Joey’s brothers Kevin and Erik who died less than two years apart. We also talk about some of the differences Betty and Joey noted in their grief when the death was sudden versus anticipated and what it has been like for them to continuing living and healing after so much loss.
Betty and Joey, thank you so much for being here today. And I'm so glad to have you. Why don't you start off by introducing yourself?
Betty Dowling
My name is Betty Dowling. I'm a mom of four. Widow for 15 years.
I like to work out. I like to read. I like to be in the sun. And just kind of hang out with my family and friends.
Jennifer Levin
Okay. Joey, what about you?
Joey Dowling
Yeah, so I'm Joey Dowling. And I am 29 years old. I live up in the Santa Barbara area with my girlfriend and two of our pups. Nice little family over here. And yeah, same thing. Just love being outdoors, love doing activities outside hiking, biking, stuff in the water. And, yeah.
Jennifer Levin
Great. So as you know, this is the first time I've ever interviewed two people at the same time on my podcast. And I'm delighted to have you both with me today. And I know our listeners are truly going to benefit from the two different perspectives from the same family. And from those who haven't figured it out, we have mother and son here today. And you can hear Winnie in the background barking because she's delighted that you're here as well. So unfortunately, your family has experienced quite a lot of grief. You've both experienced both sudden and, and expected deaths within a short period of time and over a expanded period of time. And when an individual or family experiences multiple losses, right after one another, we refer to this as cumulative grief. Because there's not a lot of time to process one loss before the next one happens. And the emotions and the grief from one death blends into the next. And so I really appreciate your willingness and your courage to talk about what your family has experienced and to share your stories today. So Betty, let's start with you. Can you share what happened when your husband Tom died suddenly back in 2008?
Betty Dowling
It was unexpected because I didn't think it would happen. I mean, he'd been sick for a while but he'd always pulled out. I mean, it was it was you know, we were in the hospital and then we were home and we were living our life for the longest time. I mean, we went about life like there was no cancer in it. The last time he went in the hospital I just thought it was going to be another short jaunt, you know, he needed some fluids or you know needed a little extra nourishment or something. But I mean he was in the hospital for a week. And I still that was the furthest thing from my mind was that he was not going to come home with me. And that night it was I mean I couldn't believe it. I was just I kept saying what is going on what is going on? This is this is not, and even the nurses around me said no his count his vitals are fine, his his labs are fine, everything's fine. He's going to be fine. But it was just that. I don't know at some point I noticed he was leaving us. You know, he had been kind of out of it for a long time and not really talking or anything. But it was it was different. It was different at that time. And then, you know, the doctors come in, and then it's like, make the decision, you know, to do the heroics and stuff. And it's like, we'd never talked about that. I mean, we were still a young couple, we, you know, had four young children. And we were still, you know, planning our lives that we never had that hard discussion. So it was like, it came down to where I needed to make a decision that I didn't feel I could. And you know, bottom line was, I knew he would not want to be on a ventilator, I knew he wouldn't want to be hooked up to machines and stuff. And, you know, after talking to the doctor, we, you know, kind of just said, he's, he's fought the fought, fought the fight, I'm sorry, fought the fight. And it was, to me it came out of the blue, I never in a million years thought that he was not going to be, we were not going to grow old together.
Jennifer Levin
What do you remember most about what your grief was like, after he died unexpectedly?
Betty Dowling
You know, I was, I was numb. I was trying to be strong for my kids, I didn't want them to have to take care of me. I was supposed to be taking care of them. So I was putting on the brave face. Had a tremendous amount of family and friends that came by and just helped and took me they kind of took care of things that I just, I don't, that first month is kind of like a fog. I really don't remember. I mean, I remember but it was like, I was just kind of going through the motions. You know, everything was getting taken care of by people. You know, like I said, great family did great friends were taking care of things. And I didn't really have to make the hard, you know, too many decisions. Which, to me was I was so grateful for because I don't think I could make a lot of decisions at that time. I was concerned about my kids, I just wanted to be strong for them. And it was and that was the hard part because, sorry Harley's running, I you know, I just I just give my thoughts just turn to and I and it probably was easier for me was just to focus on my my kids. My family, excuse me, my immediate family and just to try to be strong for them. Try to be there for them try to have the conversations when they wanted to have the conversations. Sometimes we fought and it wasn't you know, it wasn't, it was I think it was just trying to understand you know why this was happening? This shouldn't have been happening.
Jennifer Levin
Joey, you were 13 at the time your dad died. What do you remember about that time?
Joey Dowling
Um, yeah, I was 13. I remember being pretty young. You know, definitely at that age. I was thinking about like, being out with my friends and go out and skateboarding, going to the movies and everything and occupying my time with that, and like, I definitely could see everything that was going on at home. I could see my my dad, kind of deteriorating, and that's definitely tough to see. As a young boy to just like, who I'm looking up to my dad my whole life and then all of a sudden he starts getting extremely weak and starts not looking like how it used to and everything, and I remember kind of being sheltered from it for a long time, because because I was young, I feel like I wasn't really hearing everything that was going on. And then that night, I remember being at the movies, I was watching, I think it was Drillbit Taylor. And then I get a call from my sister and she was crying saying I need to get to the hospital, my aunt's gonna come and pick me up. And so, I get in the car go there. But even on the way there, I'd never I could tell something was wrong, but it never really crossed my mind that this was going to be it. And so like, driving all the way there felt like a really long drive, and then getting there and walking in and seeing my mom. She was just in tears and everything. And she walked up to me and said, Dad's not gonna make it. And that's kind of when he like, hit me like, wow, this is this is really serious. And so kind of just like walked into his bedside, and I remember just kneeling down there and just praying. Yeah, just like praying for a miracle or something. And then we were there for a while. And eventually, it was just kind of, this part was always weird to me just kind of like, time to go kind of thing is like, say goodbye, and then just go home. And that was kind of it. And so that was always really hard for me to grasp was like, just like, Okay, we're just leaving him right now here.
Jennifer Levin
It's got to be something so hard for a 13 year old to understand. Yeah, absolutely. So how did your dad's death change your family?
Joey Dowling
Initially, kind of like what my mom has said, we were all kind of figuring out ways to understand it and deal with it. We all kind of had our own ways. There were definitely some rough patches in the beginning, you know, with like, arguments and just fighting with each other and just being really like, on edge for a while. And I remember my brother, Kevin, he took it really hard. He was, he was kind of quiet for a long, long time. And eventually, we all started kind of like coming together. And I don't know, it's kind of funny, like looking back, like, it almost made our family stronger and closer, because like my mom, she had said she wanted to come together for the kids and everything. But it was also like all of us kids wanted to come together for her and make it as easy as possible. And not kind of add any more pain to our family and kind of just like, get by and try to live our lives how we could with our new new normal now.
Jennifer Levin
Yeah. What were some of the things that and this is for both of you - What were some of the things that you did as a family to cope?
Joey Dowling
Buy dogs.
Adopt some dogs.
Jennifer Levin
Your dog's running around tonight. Mine is barking.
Betty Dowling
One thing I made a point to do as soon as we could that summer is just to go away as a family, just the five of us. And just just be us together without it. We had so many people coming and going and you know, just surrounding us, which is what we needed. But we also needed our time with just each other. And, and so I remember we were I just took them up to Palm Springs for the weekend. And it was you know, it was out of it was out of our element. It was a new place that we just we kind of just let loose and we had a good time. We had fun that weekend. And it was just you know, family became more important to us, we, you know, we would rather be together as a family and do things. And you know, with four kids, there's a lot going on all the time, whether you have death in your family or not, there's just everybody's going in different directions. But there was a lot of support and stuff. So that was always nice. And I always felt that we were very fortunate. I mean, you know, this could have gone the other way we could have, you know, totally gone in our own directions and just lost touch with each other. But, like Joey said, we, we really came together, and we were stronger as a family unit than we were before.
Jennifer Levin
Joey, did you want to add anything?
Joey Dowling
Yeah, kind of just like piggybacking off of that. Just I remember that first year after for his birthday. We all just kind of did a little family day trip up here to Santa Barbara. This is before I moved here, obviously. And just kind of hung out here up at the beach for a little bit, because I remember that's where him and my mom used to come every once in a while. And so just like little things like that of just like doing stuff together as a family in a place where it kind of like had a deeper meaning. definitely helped some of those harder days.
Jennifer Levin
Yeah. One of the things I've talked about so often with guests on this podcast is how a sudden or unexpected death just can change your priorities. And it talks about listening to you both just family became so much more important and even end even stronger. So, yeah. Now, eight years later, your son Kevin was diagnosed with cancer in 2016. Betty, tell us about his diagnosis, and what was this like for you?
Betty Dowling
Actually, he was diagnosed with a different form of cancer in 2010.
Jennifer Levin
Okay, two years. Wow. Okay.
Betty Dowling
And that was found actually by mistake. And I thought that was a blessing, because we found it so quickly. And he recovered and everything. You know, I think he did chemo for a year and a half and, and he was fine. I mean, he never really missed a beat. But then around 2016 he was complaining of pain, and you know, my thing, and part of me after Tom's death, and diagnosis and death and everything, it's like I would any time the kids would say something like I got a pain here. And it was like my initial reaction was, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. I don't want it I don't want to know. But then it's like, go to the doctor, you know, and, and he was old enough to do his own appointments and he went to the doctor. And you know, they're trying to figure it out. They were trying to figure out what was going on. And, and I remember, Oh, you gotta love him. We were having a barbecue in the backyard. He was coaching he liked he was he was a football coach at the high school here. And we were having the coaches over, I was to kick off the season. So we were having the coaches over for a barbecue and everything. And before they got here he goes, they found a tumor mom. People are going to arrive in 10 minutes. And he's telling me this and I know, it was his way of just getting it out there and not having to deal with any more questions. I know that. I was like, I was I didn't know what to say I was you know, I have people coming over I have to pretend everything's wonderful. For the for everybody and in I have to act like he didn't tell me and so that was hard. That was the hard part. And then once we got through that, you know, you still had to go through the biopsy and everything and it was God love insurance. It took a while to be able to get that biopsy. And so we finally got a biopsy. And then by the time we got the biopsy, we hadn't had the results yet. He got really bad and we had to hospitalized him. And actually at that point was when things started moving pretty quickly. And we finally got the right people on board finally got the case manager. I mean, it was like it took a hospitalization to get things moving so we can figure out what is actually going on with him. Because up until then we all we knew is it was a tumor, it could have been benign. It could have been, you know, we're just gonna remove it and it's going to fine, or, unfortunately for him, it was not. And it was. That was when the roller coaster ride started. And we just, you know, for a year, in and out of the hospital, trying to figure out trying to keep them comfortable trying to go through chemo. Things are going good, and then they're not. And I remember one Dr. when I was in the hospital with him came in he was, I know, he thought he was doing good. He was being very compassionate. But I was so angry with him. He came in he goes, You know, I've lost a son too. And I looked at him, I said, I'm not losing him. Sorry. This is not happening again and so. So we didn't see that doctor again. And you know, we just, we just all rallied around Kevin and we just, you know, tried to be strong for him. I mean, he had a lot of good days. But I want to say that was so fast. And even though I knew the outcome wasn't going to be good. It's like I would not let myself say it. And even all the way up until the doctor had the hard conversation with us, I didn't want to believe it.
And then I remember, we went to the hospital to be with them and everything was fine. He was fine. We were having a good time. The boys, we were joking with the boys. We were there. He was clowning around with his brothers like he always did. Where, you know, it was Kevin, it was our old Kevin. And the next morning his girlfriend calls and says you need to get here now. And then it was just the vigil for felt like months but it was a week. And I felt, I didn't want to leave his side, which I didn't. But I felt like we were just waiting for him to die. And I didn't I didn't want him to think that we were giving up on him ever so that was kind of sucky.
Jennifer Levin
Yes, it was. Joey, what was that like for you?
Joey Dowling
Yeah, Kevin's passing was very tough on me, on all of us because it definitely rehashed a lot of those emotions and definitely leading up to even Kevin's first diagnosis. We were extremely close, yeah, we spent a lot of time together. He was that, he was a cool older brother. You know, though let me hang out with him, tag along with him and everything and we had a lot of fun together. And then him going through the first diagnosis I wasn't too worried just because he never really looked physically ill like he definitely was going through treatment and everything. A lot of a lot of people know that chemo really takes a toll on your body. And it can completely change your appearance and everything. And so with that first one, I always was very confident with him, like, okay, he's got this, he's gonna beat this, no problem. And then that second one, everything happens so fast, and it got so bad, so fast. And, you know, just like things that were happening with his body, like I didn't even know were possible. And just like, almost like scrambling, trying to like, catch it and get ahead of it before it gets like, even worse than it already had been. So that was extremely tough to see. But it was kind of that same thing during that time. Like, you don't want to show him that like you're nervous for it or you're scared or anything. You just want to like be confident in front of him and want him to be confident. So it's just like, day after day, just like trying to get through that day and everything. And we had a really good support system. His girlfriend was amazing. She was so helpful throughout the whole process. Like, I don't know how things would have gone without her. But she was amazing. And yeah, I just remember that that day. I was coaching because I coached with him. And I remember just getting a call from my mom again saying I needed to get to the hospital. I don't know how much time. And I remember going there. I think it was that Saturday, and he was, he seemed okay, like we were talking. We were having fun. I remember we were watching this, there was a YouTube channel called hot ones where they eat hot, hot wings, and do interview questions it was always really funny. And we were watching that and having a good time. Then I left that day, and then all sudden, the next morning, he's just out of it. And things had really taken a turn for the worse. And they pretty much said like this is it. And so we like just called everyone like we didn't know what to do. We didn't know if like, we should have everybody come say goodbye or give him his space or like because like you don't know what to do in that situation and it was a very, very long week. Sitting by his side not wanting to leave at all. And then eventually, it happened.
Jennifer Levin
And then the most unbelievable thing in the world is that your other son, Erik was also diagnosed. And it was the same type of cancer?
Betty Dowling
Exactly the same.
Jennifer Levin
In 2017?
Betty Dowling
That's when he was diagnosed.
Jennifer Levin
And then what year did he die?
Betty Dowling
2018. So again, just really fast.
Jennifer Levin
And that's just to me, there just are no words. And what went through your mind when he was first diagnosed with that cancer?
Betty Dowling
I couldn't believe it. It was it was the hardest thing to know that I have. Because Kevin was still alive when Erik was diagnosed I had two boys that were going through the same treatment. And they were just, you know, I have to say both of them were amazing though. They were so strong. And I, I believe they did it for me. But it's like, they tried their hardest not to be sick, if you understand what I'm saying, They were just, you know, they were amazing. You know, they would they would really rally when they could and you know, and if they couldn't then, you know, they would be fine. But they, they never complained not, neither one of them complained. And, you know, Erik was going through his thing, and he was like, you know, we're going through Kevin's funeral, Erik was feeling like crap but he was there. And, you know, he was just, he was trying to be supportive, but it was like, he just, you know, he was sick, he felt like crap. And, and then it's like, like, I never was able to go, you know, go from Kevin to Erik, with the pause in between, it was just continuous. So it was basically two years of a living hell, basically. And, you know, again, we have the great support system. And, you know, everybody was rallying and, you know, just trying to make the best of the worst. And, you know, I felt like I should have had a named parking spot over there at City of Hope, because I spent most, like most of my adult life there with my husband and the boys and and it just, I don't know, I was on autopilot all the time. I don't think I ever really relaxed. They just, I just needed to be there for for him. And, and then again, just like Kevin, I refused to believe that this was going to happen again. You know, I just thought how could How could this happen again? Why would God do this to our family? And it just, it was exhausting. And, and then part of me, it was like, I didn't want to tell people because I didn't want the pity. I, you know, now. Now, it's like, I just felt everybody looked at us as that, oh, that poor family that got through so much. Which is true. I'm not saying it's not true, but it's just didn't want to be seen as that. So I was always trying to keep the brave face. I mean, I was still going to work. I was still doing my job. I was, I never missed, you know, hospital visits. I never missed, you know, doctor visits or anything like that. I was just, you know, marching through life. And then I still have two others. And, uh, you know, didn't want I never wanted them to feel like they were less because they're not sick. And I think I remember with Joey when Erik passed, I just, I just hugged him and begged him never to leave me. And like with Kevin, when Erik passed, and Kevin, the night they passed, we had people over. With Kevin we did candlelight, candlelit, you know, we held candles and just was out in the backyard saying what we remembered about him and everything. And with Erik we did um, floating candles. And we did because he always you know, we always call them Erikson the Viking. And we got his girlfriend who was amazing too, I was, my boys were very fortunate. They have amazing girlfriends. I mean, I feel very fortunate. I love their girlfriends and um, she went and got a boat and drew that colored it up and everything like, like a Viking ship. And we stuck in our pool and set it on fire like you do the Vikings. And it was in honor of Erik. And so we have some great memories, but it's like it's...
Jennifer Levin
Not a replacement.
Betty Dowling
No, no. Not at all. I mean, it's like, I would not wish this on anybody. And anybody that's going through it. I just, my heart goes out to you. It's not easy. If it wasn't for my kids, I probably would be, I wouldn't be talking today. I would not be, I'd be just a mumbling fool. But like I said, I have two other amazing kids that I love dearly. And they're just as important to me as my two that I've lost.
Jennifer Levin
Yeah. Joey, when your second brother died, did you feel like you were grieving both of them at the same time?
Joey Dowling
Um, in a way yeah. Because Erik like, like my mom said he got diagnosed during Kevin's. And so we had two brothers battling that same cancer and getting the same treatment and everything. And so when Kevin passed away, it was almost like, okay, like, we still have something to do right now. We still have a mission to complete, we still need to get Erik through this. Like, we can't just completely lose hope. And I felt like if I did show that like if I was extremely sad or feeling like hopeless or something that would start affecting Erik, so you try to like, again, just be confident for him. And just try to make sure he knows that he's got it and that we're there for him and everything. And yeah, that was definitely tough, too. Because I was really close with him too. I was I was close with all my siblings. I was the youngest. I was definitely the floater going around to each one and everything. But yeah, when when he started getting worse and worse. I don't know you kind of just start just like thinking to yourself like not again, not again, not again, like please no. Like this can't actually be happening. I can't actually lose three of my family members to this. And then I just remember him his whole week was a very big ordeal too with the doctor because it was the same doctor as Kevin and I feel like he felt such a strong connection to my family and he refused to let himself believe that he was going to lose another one of our family members. So he was doing everything he could that last week telling us no, he's fine. He's fine. And then we're getting something different from the ER doctors and no, this is it. And so we're like, which is like so that was just a big roller coaster. And I remember I'll never forget walking in the room after the doctor had said that this was it and Erik's just lying there and he's just like crying he's saying I'm sorry Joey. Those are definitely hard words to hear...but he just, and I felt bad because he was apologizing to me. When I know that he did everything he could. He fought so hard. And and then that happened again. So once that happened, it was almost like, okay, now I have two brothers and a dad that are gone. And you try to go through this like process of grieving each one, but then it's hard to not feel like some sort of guilt as you are just because like, sometimes you think like, oh, am I thinking about this brother too much or more than that brother? Or like, I need to like, give each one the equal amount of thought or like, so yeah, it's definitely definitely tough how they all happened very close to each other. And also, I'm young, like, I'm still like figuring out my life and figuring out like, what I want to do, and this all happens, and you just find a dark place and just lose all motivation and not have any urge to go out and make new friends or anything, because your two best friends were kind of just taken from you.
Yeah. Yeah. What are some of the ways that you have honored or celebrated your family members who've died?
One big one that we do every year is we have this Dowling Strong 55 fundraiser that we all started. It's a good way to kind of keep their memory alive and keep their name alive and everything, and it definitely brings all of us joy, you know, getting together and remembering them. We give a scholarship to a high school student going into his senior year to help pay for the high school tuition at the high school we all went to. And that definitely brings a lot of happiness to us to be able to kind of help another family but also in the name of our brothers and dad. And yeah.
Betty Dowling
It brings everybody together that loved them, and we all get to celebrate them in a happy place. And because we, you know, we have a party afterwards. So we play flag football, and then we have a party. And, you know, it's amazing, you know, some years a lot of Erik's friends come some years, a lot of Kevin's friends come so you know, we've this, we're going on our fifth year. And, yeah, we get we're, we're in the planning stages for this one coming up. And you know, it's, it's a way of giving back. They love their high school, they love football. And, and, you know, we just thought this, this was something we could do in their memory.
Jennifer Levin
That's wonderful. And Joey you, I don't know if everyone else knows this. But I can see you was we're doing a video interview and as you started to talk about it, you just got a big smile on your face right away. So I could definitely tell that's a joyful event. As I mentioned at the beginning of our podcast, cumulative grief is what happens when we have one, loss or death on top of another without the opportunity to process the emotions and heal before another one occurs, which is definitely what happened in your family. And I'm curious, what are your thoughts about cumulative grief?
Betty Dowling
For me, it's just it's all it all rolls into one. I mean, as much as we want to keep it separate and deal with each one. I mean, we obviously didn't have time. But it's hard. It's hard. Yeah. It's, you know, you're, you know, you have all your different stages, but it's like, okay, which stage am I in? I've been, you know, I'm grieving for Tom and then before I have a chance to finish I've got to start worrying about Kevin and then, and then grieving for Kevin and then grieving for it. So it's like, I don't know it, I don't know if we were able to flow through like you're supposed to. Just kind of, you know, hang on and let, you know, go for the ride.
Joey Dowling
Yeah, and with the cumulative grief, having three that had passed away, there's so many memories that come with each one. And there's. So that means there's a lot of different triggers, you know, throughout your day you'd be doing something, and then I don't know, you see the number 55 or something that reminds you of my brothers. And then you see like a fire truck going by and it reminds you of my dad, and then it's kind of like you're just bouncing off of different thoughts of thinking about each one. And then I don't know. So there's just at first, it feels really overwhelming, because you're just like thinking about them all day long. And because everything reminds you of them, especially with three being gone, everything's gonna remind you of them. But then, like, there's just little ways that you kind of get start getting used to and different ways to deal with it and everything. Yeah.
Betty Dowling
We've gotten really good about like, remembering, remember, like talking about, you know, remember when Kevin did this, or, oh, gosh, I can't remember remember, Erik, you know, and it is, it's, for me, it's getting a little easier to do that. You know, we'll be out like, you know, and go to Joey's place, and we'll be walking around and we'll say, uh, you know, it's like, you know, something comes up, because like Joey said, Tom, and I used to go to Santa Barbara a lot, because we loved it up there. And we'd like to go up there. It's like, oh, I remember when we went and we went to this place, and it was just even the silliness, which there was a lot of, it was good. So it's getting, you know, the memories are not as hard anymore. I mean, they they're always welcomed, but they weren't, you know, now it's just, you know, like a pleasant smile. You know, it's like, oh, yeah, I remember that.
Jennifer Levin
That was exactly my next question. Because I know. So many times, especially for people who are new, they want to know, does this get any easier over time? And so if somebody were to ask, does this get easier over time? What would you say?
Betty Dowling
Well, I used to always say, I'm okay, until I'm not now it's like, it's easier until it's not. Because, I mean, does it get easier sometimes. But there's a lot of times, it's still really hard. And I mean, like, you know, I could have conversations about them, not shed a tear, just like happy to talk about them and everything. And then other times, I am just a blubbering fool, because I can't stop crying. So, you know, I just kind of have gotten to where I just let it go, I just let it roll through me and whatever, you know, whatever comes out comes out. And I know, I'll get out the other side.
Jennifer Levin
Okay. What about you, Joey? Do you think it gets easier over time?
Joey Dowling
I don't, I don't know if easier is the right word for it, because it's still hard. You know, thinking about it is always gonna feel hard, I think. But I just feel like there might be like, at least with me, there's different ways to figure out how to like deal with that level of grief and the feelings that come up. Like I said before, like you're not feeling so much, so overwhelmed. As the years go by you kind of like smile at some of the memories that you're thinking about and everything and like oh, that was fun. And just like trying different ways to get through it and reading different things and different phrases that can help you and I think that it would definitely take a long time to be perfectly okay, which is fine. It's just everybody wants to be perfectly fine immediately. And you know, and not have to deal with any of this stuff and not have to go through any of this. But you know, we can't always have that we have to take these little steps and try to find ways to find things that make us happy and enjoy our time here while we can.
Jennifer Levin
Yeah. I'm not sure perfectly fine is ever what happens, I think there are other ways to deal or cope or be, but I don't think any of us are ever perfectly fine to be honest. I have a closing question for you both. What advice would you give to someone who is struggling right now, after multiple losses and experiencing cumulative grief? Whether it be from sudden loss or sudden and anticipated loss? Or any combination? What advice would you like to share with them?
Betty Dowling
I guess my advice is to find someone to talk to, it doesn't have to be a therapist, it'd be your best friend, it could be you know, your sister, your mother or whoever, just open up. Talk about it. And also, don't try to don't really put yourself in a position where you know, you are not giving your self time to go through all the emotions. I mean, you need to you need to, you need to basically do you what works for you, how do you feel you can get through a day you know, I mean, it's hard because everybody, grief is so individualized. It's like my grief the way I feel. And the way I handle it is not necessarily the same way Joey can have is handling that, you know, he has his different ways. And you just have to really find what works for you and know that you're going to be okay. You will be okay. It's not going to be perfect, but you'll you'll be okay
Joey Dowling
Similar to that is yeah, there's there's no right way to deal with it. Just kind of do what works for you. And like, I don't have all the answers or anything like that. I don't know the perfect tricks or anything there's no like this, just to keep trying is really important, and just finding ways to honor them and keep their memory alive. That's something that definitely brings me comfort. And just leaning on your support system to talk about it. Sometimes, I'll even just feel weird about bringing them up in casual convo, because I don't want to feel like oh, he's talking about his deceased brother's again, kind of thing. But it was such a big part of my life. And I have so many memories with them. Like it's just inevitable to come up in conversation and to not feel guilty about it or not feel bad about it and just find ways that find ways and things that just make you happy and bring you joy
Jennifer Levin
Wonderful words of wisdom from you both. So I cannot thank you enough for sharing such personal stories tonight and allowing yourself to be vulnerable for our listeners, so truly from the bottom of my heart. Thank you both so much for for sharing tonight. It's such a pleasure.
Betty Dowling
Thank you for having us.
Joey Dowling
Thank you, Jennifer.
Jennifer Levin
Today Betty and Joey shared with us their family story and the losses that have occurred, that forever changed their family of six to a family of three and they each described different aspects of what stood out from them when it comes to cumulative grief. Betty noted her challenges connecting to her husband’s grief while caring for her son Kevin and then difficulty to grieve for Kevin while caring for Erik until finally everything just rolled into one.
Joey explained how the cumulative losses amplified the number of grief triggers that he encountered, and that one trigger would resurface one memory that would lead to another memory, then another. As a result, early on, he found himself cascaded with overwhelming memories of his dad and both of his brothers, constantly thinking about all his cumulative losses, all of the time. As we saw from Betty and Joey’s experiences, whether the death occurs in a sudden or unexpected nature or expected, cumulative grief is emotionally draining, and it intensifies complex emotions. In most circumstances, the biggest factor associated with culminative grief is age, however this is definitely not the case when sudden or unexpected death is involved. I also want to mention that the experience of cumulative grief can also be heightened by non-death losses including the loss of other relationships, finances, careers, health problems, and life transitions.
If you find yourself experiencing cumulative grief it can be beneficial to your healing to take some time to grieve each of your losses separately. With that said, it goes without saying that some of the yearning, pain and sadness will feel like a deep ball of emotions, inseparable and unrelated to a specific loss. However, there will be unique memories or feelings connected to specific loved ones that you process and grieve.
One of the techniques that I use with clients who are struggling with cumulative grief is to encourage them have a separate place to grieve each death. Place can mean anything – this can be a geographic location such a favorite park, beach, bench, or even a couch or chair around the house. Go to that place to connect with your loved one. It is also helpful to have a special journal, notebook, folder, or memory box that represents each loved one you are grieving where you write down write down your thoughts, memories, and process your sadness and feelings. When you are out and about keep some stick notes or a yellow pad and when thoughts come up write them down and then you will be able to put these thoughts and memories in their respective places throughout your grieving process.
Betty and Joey commented that, on the whole, things are easier now and they are healing evening thought the grief and pain still exists. I mentioned in my interview that I was able to see the huge smile that lit up Joey’s face when he shared the annual tribute fundraiser that Betty, Joey and their sister puts for a high school football player and that the memories are no longer as painful or as overwhelming. They work hard to keep Tom, Kevin’s and Eric’s memories alive and still allow themselves to feel the grief as it comes.
It seems unfathomable that one family can encounter the loss of so many loved ones. Unfortunately, Betty and Joey cumulative losses parallels the experiences of so many others which is why I was so grateful they were willing to share their story on this podcast. I remember working with a family years ago in a similar situation and one of the members stated, this is not fair, didn’t we earn a pass since this has already happened to us, and the unfortunate answer to that question is no. Death and loss whether expected or unexpected will always be a part of our life. I believe the key to getting living with cumulative grief are to understand how multiple losses impact us, to allow ourselves to feel and express the emotions and to continue to engage in life and keep loving throughout the entire process.
It is hard not to be overwhelmed by the cumulative grief the Dowling family has experienced. As I listened to Betty and Joey share their stories and grief, I also noticed their continued reference to their family’s strength and how they used one another to cope and get through each loss. Betty focused on caring for her 4 kids as a single mom after Tom died and the kids learned they had to rally around her. She made sure the family had private time where they could be together to grieve and learn to adapt. They brought animals into their life, pursued sports to honor dad and grew stronger until her two of her boys got sick and died, one right after another. Yet they continued to bond, grieve, care for one another, remember, honor, thrive and move towards healing through every loss they encountered even during the darkest of days. I believe it was Joey who commented they were Dowling Strong.
Stay tuned for next Podcast interview on July 19th. Thank you so much for joining today’s episode of Untethered Healing the Pain After a Sudden Death. To learn more about hope and guidance after sudden or unexpected death please visit therapyheals.com and sign up for my monthly newsletter Guidance in Grief at www.therapyheals.com. Bye for now.