Jennifer Levin
Hi everyone and welcome to Untethered: Healing the pain from a sudden death. I am Dr. Jennifer Levin, and I specialize in traumatic death and helping individuals through the struggles, pain, trauma, and chaos of an unexpected death.
Today’s podcast is an anonymous interview with a young woman who experienced the death of her partner from alcoholism related causes. According to the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention more than 140,000 people died each from alcohol related causes each year in 2015 – 2019. The CDC further estimates that alcoholism can shorten a life by 26 years. If you live with someone who is addicted to alcohol or any other substance for that matter, you know how difficult the daily life struggle can be but you are still unprepared for the struggle than accompanies the pain of associated with the sudden death. I invite you now to listen to our guest today who shares her sudden experience after her partner her partner suddenly dies from alcohol related causes.
So tell me a little bit about yourself and your partner. When did you first meet? And how long were you together?
Interviewee
So we met in March of 2018, through a dating app. And we were together for about four years before he passed. But yeah, we met in the spring of 2018. And we hit it off pretty quickly. The first time we met in person, we talked a little bit first over the phone. And then the first time meeting in person, we were in a restaurant and we stayed there until the restaurant closed around three, we stayed there until closing, it was like seven hours of just talking. And he was a very, very chatty person. I always teased him about that. And I can talk a lot too. So we, we never had, we never ran out of things to say, put it like that. And yeah, he was just my, like, the male version of me just like really, really my best friend.
Jennifer Levin
Sounds like it was a perfect fit.
Okay. So you talked about your first date, and what an amazing fit the two of you are. And you had a relationship that obviously started after that. We've had some conversations, and you shared that your partner had an alcohol problem that went on throughout your relationship. And I know that you've shared that he had many health problems that existed, and even scares, health scares. But tell us a little bit about what happened. And the incident that actually led to his, to his sudden death.
Interviewee
Yeah, well, so I moved, we both lived in Chicago together. I moved back to LA in June 2021. So about three and a half years, since we first started dating, and I moved back to LA because my mom is sick. So I came back to help take care of her. And during that time I noticed he physically started looking more and more sick. His eyes were becoming even more yellow. And he looked really emaciated. So I knew something bad was on the horizon. And like you mentioned, there had been a lot of health scares. So the day that he passed, it was actually his daughter's sixth birthday. So I texted him, and I sent him a voice note, telling him you know, please tell your daughter happy birthday for me, because we were really close. And he never responded. But we had a routine where we would talk every morning on my way to Starbucks. And so I knew something wasn't right. But I told myself, like, you know, you have anxiety, it's probably just anxiety, just ignore it. So I went on with my day, I went to the gym and I came back and I still hadn't heard from him and I knew something was wrong. And so I get a call from his best friend. And right as the phone rings, I told myself like this is it, like this is the call, telling me that he's gone. And his best friend told me that he was actually in the hospital, his best friend lived in a different state, but had heard from another friend that he was in the hospital on life support, and they didn't think he was going to make it. And I was shocked. But at the same time, it's almost as if I had been preparing myself for that moment. And he, essentially what happened was he started internal bleeding, but also essentially, his esophagus burst. And that's why he went to the hospital. And he took himself to the hospital, or he called the ambulance himself, which to me was a big sign that it was bad because he never wanted to go to the hospital. So the fact that he called the ambulance himself, I knew it was really bad. And so the, by the time I heard what had happened, he was already essentially gone. He was gone for all intents and purposes. He was still breathing, but he was on life support. But he couldn't talk, couldn't hear. He just was out of it. He was dying. And I never got to say goodbye to him. The friend that was with him at the hospital gave me the phone and let me talk to him. And I like to believe that he heard me say goodbye to him, but medically, I'm pretty sure he didn't hear me. And he, his blood pressure kept decreasing. And they told us that, you know, he's not going to make it he's not going to come back from this. So he essentially I think on the death certificate, it says something about hemorrhaging. And he died from just bleeding. He had cirrhosis of the liver.
Jennifer Levin
So you never really got the opportunity to say goodbye?
Interviewee
Yes, I never got the opportunity to say goodbye, at least not the way that I wanted to. I remember the last time I saw him alive in person when I got in the Uber and he walked down with me and put me in the Uber and gave me a kiss and said, I'll see you in August. The plan was for him to come visit in August. And that never happened, because of financial reasons. But I remember seeing him from the Uber window, walk around the block, and something told me that like, this might be the last time you see him. And it was that voice, that I always tried to quiet and tell myself like, no, you have to have hope. You have to believe that he will get better that he will beat this, that there's going to be a change and you're going to have a life together. And that yeah, that never happened. And so I never got to say goodbye to him the way that I wanted to. I mean, I think I said goodbye to him, like our spirit said goodbye to each other, but not like our bodies.
Jennifer Levin
I know, we didn't really get a chance to go into what it's like to live with somebody who's living with an addiction and for you living with an addiction. But it sounds like you had considered the fact that he might die from this suddenly, at some point in your relationship.
Interviewee
Yeah, I would say he suffered from, because of the alcoholism the doctor could never understand it. But he started getting seizures. And that was the first time, the first seizure happened maybe six months into our relationship. And then they continued about, the next one didn't happen for a year. And then the last year I was there, it happened about once a month, sometimes even twice a month. And so there was a point the day that he had a seizure twice in the same day he had a seizure, I took him to the I called the ambulance, they took him to the hospital, they called me said he's ready to be picked up. I went and picked him up. And as he opened the door to get into the car, he had another seizure and fell on the concrete and cracked his head open and blood everywhere. And I think it was that day that I told myself, I think he's going to die. And that was about a year before he died. And I remember finally admitting it to my best friend and telling her like, I think he's going to die. And it was really hard for me to admit that because it's this feeling of no longer having control because I thought I really, really genuinely believed that if I just, it was just like a puzzle I needed to figure out and it just needed to find the right piece, find the right piece to fix the problem. And I think that day, I finally admitted to myself that I don't think I have the ability to fix this problem. And this might be out of my hands. And it was until that was the day. And even though I admitted it to myself that day that I think he's going to die. I kind of pushed that deep down in me and the next, throughout the next year when I think back on it I think I was in major denial, major denial about the extent of his illness. Because I, you know, what are you supposed to do? Right? And, and part of the addiction is, it's almost like you're living in an alternate reality because you're seeing what's happening to him, but he's not seeing what's happening to him. So you're frantic and you're trying to guide him in a certain path. And he's in his own denial and just in a completely different reality. And he thinks it's not a big deal. He's fine. He just needs to take this medicine and everything will be okay. So it was also just hard to we just weren't on the same page. It's hard to be on the same page with someone with an addiction.
Jennifer Levin
This is actually the very first time I have done an anonymous podcast interview with anyone before. Can you talk a little bit about why you wanted your interview to be anonymous?
Interviewee
Yeah, that's a good question. Well, there's several reasons First, to protect his privacy. Because, you know, there's a lot of stigma that goes along with alcoholism. And I know his parents are very sensitive to that fact. And they really, I mean, till this day, they haven't really even told their entire family about his passing. And I think that has to do with the way he died. So I wanted to respect their privacy. And for me, my relationship with him, I come from a very conservative religiously conservative family. So my family, my parents, in particular, never knew about our relationship. And I didn't want them finding out this way over a podcast, especially because now that I'm in the beginning of my career in academia, there's a lot of like public facing. There's just, you're in the public a lot. And I didn't want anyone to kind of Google my name and then see that and then my parents finding out like there's, there's just unfortunately, a lot of secrecy. And then I'm, I've been working through the stigma, both a stigma that's assigned to him and also a stigma assigned to myself regarding being in a relationship with someone who was an alcoholic. So there's a lot of, I still feel the need to protect a lot of things, especially the relationship and so I wanted to tell the story, I wanted people to hear about him and what he was like and what my grief has been. But I wanted to do it in a way where I felt I was respecting all parties involved.
Jennifer Levin
So what was your grief like early on, right after he died?
Interviewee
So the first day, the day that he died, when I first got the call saying he was on life support, I called my sister. I was alone and I just needed someone to be around me. It's almost like I felt outside of my body and like I couldn't keep my body up. Like I really I felt it. It was very physical. The grief was very physical in the beginning. I called my sister, she called my brother, they both came. And then once I went to sleep, I knew he was dying. Once I got all the information that I could get, and I got off the phone, I just said, I need to go to sleep. Like I need to, like my body just shut down. And I was well, I was, I woke up because there was, I got another call. And it was the best friend saying that he was gone. And I just, it was one of the worst days of my life. It's a feeling I, I really, genuinely can't describe. It was very physical. I felt like I was outside of my body. And I felt like I was outside of my own life looking down on me. And just completely confused. I didn't really cry that much. I cried and then I would stop. And I was like, genuinely confused. And this feeling of like, I almost didn't accept it. I was like, No, I need to talk to him. Like, I need to tell him what's going on. I need to tell him how sad I am and then realizing like, that's it there's no, there's no more talking to him in the way that you talk to him. I believe now, a year and a half later that I can still talk to him. But that day, I didn't understand that I can't talk to him the way I had known in the way I had known. And it, I couldn't be alone. I was extremely, I was frantic is the best. It's like I'm not sure what I was scared of at that point. But it was like I almost became more scared after he had passed than I was hearing that he was about to pass. It was like after he passed the permanency I've been really struggling with the permanency of death. And so once it happened, I, it was a mixture of like, how can this be possible and also like, this can't be it. Like I have to figure something out. I I'm a doer. I'm a problem solver. And so I it was this feeling of being completely out of control and not understanding how I can't fix this problem. Yeah, and so the beginning was definitely very, very physical for me.
Jennifer Levin
Yeah. I hear that.
Interviewee
Yeah, it still gets physical. The grief is still physical in some ways, a year and a half later, but there's it has definitely changed. I don't feel that, I don't feel the franticness of it anymore. It still hurts, you know, just as bad but it's almost like my body has learned what it means for him not to be here. And so there's a familiarity in his death now that wasn't there in the beginning. But yeah, it can still definitely be physical. But I think I've also learned ways to help me cope, like healthy ways to help me cope. Whether that's, for me it's usually doing something involving my grief, not running away from my grief. So I'll pick up a book about grief and I just want to read about someone else's grief. I want to feel like I'm not crazy, these thoughts in my head. Because the thoughts in my head like it's like my mind was my mind generally runs a mile a minute, but this was like out of control and I couldn't, my thoughts were scattered. I couldn't put them together and that lasted for a good like six months of just being really unable to think to process information to remember things. My memory was gone. And so I think I've learned ways now to kind of slow down the mind and become more in touch with my body, and not have that kind of disconnect between my mind and my body. And yeah, like I said, reading, for me reading books about grief was a big way that I coped, I just wanted to see a reflection of my grief back at me to understand it better and, you know people grieve in different ways so I read a lot of different books, fiction, non-fiction and I even read, you know, books about I was questioning my faith and questioning God. And, you know, I was angry at God. And so I even read books about how grief impacts your faith. I just wanted to not feel alone in my grief.
Jennifer Levin
Out of curiosity, was there any type of relief at all after his death? I mean, it sounds like there was so much suffering on his end.
Interviewee
Yeah, that's a really, really good question. And the short answer is yes. But that took me well over a year to admit, I could not admit that to myself, that there was a sense of relief, the relief, it was both relief for him that he's no longer suffering because he was not living a life. He was not living, even when he was alive, he was not living a life. And so there was relief, to know that his suffering is over. And then it's still hard for me today to admit this. But there was a relief for me that I didn't have to live in fear anymore. Because I lived in extreme extreme fear every single day, especially because of the seizures. Where, at any moment, he could be any moment he could be having a seizure. And living with him, I became extremely hyper vigilant where anytime I would hear a sound, I would think, did he fall and he's having a seizure, I couldn't take a shower, without having to literally get out of the shower, soaking wet, naked, run into the living room, because I heard something and he would be on the couch and be like, what's going on? And I was, I almost became embarrassed at the level of fear that I was operating within. So like I said, it, it's hard for me to admit it, but there was a fear. I'm sorry, there was a relief in knowing that I didn't have to be so hyper vigilant anymore, and just live in constant fear. Like the worst that could happen. What I had been preparing myself for had happened. And there is a relief in knowing that, like, the worst is over. As hard as that is to say, because that means he's not here. It you know, and I think people who people who love other people who are addicted who have an addiction, they can understand. I think other people who who've never dealt with addiction. It might seem selfish, it might seem, you know, just they might be perplexed by like, how could you say that, but I think people who've dealt with loved ones who have an addiction. I hope it resonates with them that like there's, I'm working through the guilt still of feeling that way. But yeah, there definitely was a sense of relief that it wasn't that I felt like I could start my life now. It wasn't that kind of relief. It was like there was a sense of peace that I could hold on to now that yeah, just the worst is over and, and it was scary too, because now I'm like I have to rebuild my life. And I don't I don't know how and I don't want to and something that for me I really experienced was for a long time I didn't want to let go of my grief. Because I thought if I let go of my grief, that I would lose him and the grief was now the only thing attaching me to him. So I held on for dear life for my grief and even through therapy I was almost actively fighting, I mean, I think subconsciously actively fighting you know, working through the grief because I, I wanted to that was, that was my only connection to him.
Jennifer Levin
Can you say more about that? So actually, before you do, I'm so glad you talked about the relief because I've worked with so many clients who've had loved ones struggling with the addiction. And they've actually used the word peace. And that there is some peace, that the awfulness and the struggle is over. And there's definitely, you know, no celebration but there's some just peace, that the suffering is over. But if you can say more about this letting go or working on letting go of the grief, because there's so many people that I work with, who hold steadfast to their grief as the only way they can possibly stay connected to their loved one. And fearful that there's no other possibility to remain connected.
Interviewee
Right. Yeah, I think the way we even I think like in popular culture, and just the way we've been socialized this idea of, you know, love and even the kind of quote that exists about grief that, you know, grief is really just love and like a different form. And so I really, and then experiencing it firsthand, I'll backtrack for a second and say, in the beginning, I felt guilty laughing. I felt guilty. I remember the first time I smiled, and the first time I laughed, after he died, and I had a hard time forgiving myself for even being able to laugh and smile, despite his death. And all of that was related to me believing that my love for him is now trapped in this grief. And if I let go of the grief that I'm letting go with him, and grieving was my way of honoring him. And if I stopped grieving, or even if the grief changed, it means like, how could you, I would ask myself, like, how could you? You can't move on, you can't and I haven't moved on. And I'll never move on. I don't even like that phrase. But even just moving forward, just life continuing. I really believed that I was being disloyal to him.
Jennifer Levin
And so many people share that.
Interviewee
Yeah, and it, it still pops up every now and then because I told myself, even just like little rituals that I started after he passed, like, kissing his urn when I woke up, and when I went to sleep, and every night I would play his favorite song to help me sleep. And when those rituals they didn't end but maybe I did them less often or I didn't rely on them in the same way I did for the first like six seven months. I was scared, I was like this is, this is me you know, again being disloyal and not honoring him and in my saying I didn't love him I even would question myself like, did I love him? How could I? How could I possibly move on if you loved someone like you can't move on I almost had to punish myself for living, like, in a strange way. Not, I wouldn't necessarily call it survivor's guilt. But there was an element of I cannot live if he is not living. Like my life must be over. It has to be over I cannot live anymore. And the truth is there were a lot of suicide or passive suicidal ideation. But it was really more what it really was, was me punishing myself, anytime there was a moment where he wasn't on my mind. And, and yeah, I didn't learn until later ways that I can keep him in my life, keep his spirit, keep his humor, his intellect his just who he was I can keep that in my life without it being a trap. Like I felt trapped in my own grief, I think that's the best way to describe it I, I felt trapped in my own grief and I thought grief can only look one way. I thought this is what grief looks like. And if I'm not doing these things, if I'm not crying every day, I remember the first day I didn't cry. And I had therapy that day, and I cried in therapy about not crying about him. And I thought yeah, grief can only look this way and if I am operating in any way outside of these grief parameters, then that means I am disloyal. I didn't really love him as much as I said I did, I just questioned everything. So it took, and again, I mean, it's, I think grief is going to be a lifelong journey, especially when it comes to like traumatic loss. And I also just didn't understand I was 32 at the time, and my parents had gotten married at 32. And so for me, I always thought, you know, 32 was the age when I'm going to really start settling down and having a family and getting married and then to have to lose a partner in such a traumatic way I just couldn't understand what was happening in life I couldn't I couldn't make sense of it.
Jennifer Levin
It sounds like your grief has evolved incredibly in the last year and a half. What have you done, what type of work have you engaged in to experience these types of shifts?
Interviewee
So I have really worked really hard on my grief, I've tried pretty much everything I could possibly get my hands on. So I started seeing a grief therapist, a therapist who specifically specializes in grief. And then I started a small group, a traumatic sudden loss grief group and that was weekly, my therapy was weekly, sometimes twice a week. I joined a grief community online, where people would just write just blogs about their loved ones. Then I joined another kind of like one month writing program it was a grief writing program, where every day for 30 days we had a prompt, and we would write about, we would kind of answer the prompt. There's no rules, but you're essentially writing about your grief and whatever comes up. So I did that. I, like I said, I read a lot of books about grief. I talked a lot about him to the people that knew about the relationship, which were only really a couple of people. But I tried to, I thought that the more I talk about him the more I'm keeping him alive, which now I don't necessarily It's not that I don't believe that. I think if it works for you, that's great. But for me, I found that I was getting stuck. That's where I was stuck in my grief. So yeah, a lot of, a lot of therapy. I mean, I'm still in grief therapy to this day. So a lot of therapy, a lot of reading a lot of community building. And just finding spaces where especially because my grief, my therapist calls it disenfranchised grief because my parents didn't know about him. Most of my family didn't know about him, friends didn't know about him. I was grieving kind of silently and I had to pretend like everything was fine, you know, I would be crying in my car and then I get to my mom's house and I have to pretend like it's just another Saturday and I'm you know living life and the sun is shining. But really, I'm, I'm broken inside and so I yeah, I did. Oh, and another thing I did, I joined Alcoholics Anonymous, Al Anon. So for the family and friends of people who suffer from alcoholism, that for me, didn't resonate as much. I feel like if I had started that maybe a few years before he passed, it would have been really helpful. But after he passed, it felt to me personally a little bit, like too little too late. So I found what really helped me was the therapy and the community building.
Jennifer Levin
You've talked about your mom a bit and that she's actively dying and has been sick for a long time. So you're grieving your partner. Your family doesn't know about him due to religious reasons and other things. What has that been like for you?
Interviewee
It's been really hard, there's been a lot of grief in my life the last eight years. A lot of grief. There's almost like in my head a grief competition, where I had to be more sad about my mom dying in her condition than this guy who was an alcoholic that I met, you know, four years ago. But there were times that things would come up that I ended up feeling that way, like I had to, it's almost like I had to prove I'm sad about my mom while I'm grieving my partner. So there was a lot of kind of like shifting back and forth and trying to make sense of, you know, grieving someone who's gone, and someone who's still here. And those two things look very differently. And the way that I respond to them, is also very different. And, again, like I said earlier, the permanency of death is really what I've struggled with. And I've just had a lot of these existential questions about what is life and why are we here what am I doing and what happens after you die? So those questions have impacted the way I view my mom and her disease. And so I, yeah, it was it's just it's been I would say, just a grief competition, just who like who deserves my sadness more. It was almost like grief, grief just feels so personal and so incredibly intimate that it's, it's almost like it felt like cheating on someone, like, I'm either cheating on my mom, or I'm cheating on my partner. If I'm grieving one instead of the other, it almost felt like I can't do both at the same time.
And, yeah, it definitely has also impacted the way that I look at my mom, spend time with my mom, talk to my mom, trying to come to a level of acceptance. With my relationship with my mom, there's things that I've never said to my mom that I know I, at this point, I'm not going to be able to say she's not going to be able to really respond to it and really hear what I have to say about our relationship. And so I'm trying to accept her death before it happens in a way that I was very much in denial with my partner. So I'm trying to do it differently this time. It's almost like I have a second chance at grief. And I'm trying to do it differently this time and, not for my mom that sounds bad but like not for my mom but for me. I have a better relationship with the grief process for myself because again, grief really attacks your peace and addiction attacks your peace and actively dying and chronic disease attacks your peace and so I'm really trying ways to find peace while my mom is still alive and I really only learn that through my partner's passing, I will say that his passing has taught me an incredible amount about living life in a way where I feel most authentic, and like it, it's hard to explain, but it's like his death started me setting boundaries for the first time in my life. And like, I guess the best way to say it is his death was the absolute worst thing that could happen to me that I was like, I don't have anything to lose anymore. So all this people pleasing that I did, and trying to make my parents proud and be the daughter that they wanted, even if it wasn't things that I wanted, I was like, it's not worth it. Like, it's not even, you know, oh, life is too short, it wasn't even about life is too short, it was just about like, the worst has happened. All this other stuff I feel in life doesn't compare, like, I am so incredibly devastated that like, if I can't please you right now, that is now your problem. And it's no longer my problem, it was almost like, the grief took up all the space inside of me, it took all the capacity I had. And so all these other things. I suffer from chronic anxiety and so I, it was almost like, there was no room for any anxiety regarding my family, and my parents and school and work and siblings, and friendships, it was like this, this is all I have, if you can't accept it, we're gonna have to make peace with that and move forward because the grief, it took up all the space inside of me. So in a way, it really did teach me a lot about living life on my terms and just accepting, just accepting life, I have a hard time just accepting my reality. And so it's really helped me to begin that process of accepting my reality, regardless of if it's what I want, or not.
Jennifer Levin
Really powerful lessons learned there. So I want to end today with the question that I ask everybody, which is, if you were giving advice to someone who was brand new in this situation, and especially somebody who has just experienced the sudden death of a loved one by alcoholism or any type of addiction, what would you say to them?
Interviewee
I think I would say two things, I would say, first, try whatever you can, like, try try again, in terms of learning how to live with the grief, and really accepting the fact that you will be living with grief that there's no getting rid of it, that this idea that we have to move on and move forward or get rid of it and be strong. Like if you were dealing with grief, you are you are strong, like there's no other way to put it. And so trying whatever you possibly can. Trying different like, like I said, I tried books, I tried therapy, whatever feels right at that time, give it a try. If it's not right, try something else. But don't stop trying to find ways to relate to your grief in a way that feels right to you. And that goes to my second point where you're going to be getting a lot of unsolicited advice from people. And really try hard to give yourself grace, tune that stuff out. And just kind of check in with yourself and say like, does this advice resonate? If it does great. If not, you know, move on and be and be honest and say, No, thank you. You don't understand. I don't want to talk about this and just really advocate for yourself and don't buy into this culture. I think we have a really unhealthy culture surrounding grief where if you're somehow if you're sad, from grief, you're weak. And I mean, that's just really, I think it's inaccurate, but it's also just harsh. So I think give yourself grace. And there's no there's no guidebook, there's no rulebook, and there's no timeline. You just every, it's like really every moment you're trying to figure out what is going to work for you in this moment. And it might look different and might change from day to day, from week to week. But it's like, it's really just checking in with yourself and it's almost like I, I had to wrap myself in my own blanket for the first time and just trust myself and trust what felt right to me. And we're, there's also going to be relationships that you have to let go of unfortunately, because either they don't show up for you the way that you need them to, or they're making you feel worse. And so really just wrapping yourself in your own blanket and centering yourself and, and just trying to really live in a way where you feel like your grief is being honored and it just feels right to you. Regardless of what everyone else, all the comments and advice that everyone else has.
Jennifer Levin
Thank you so much. What great insight today. I know you shared so much from the heart and so much personally. So much in terms of your growth and your struggles, insight. I'm so appreciative. Thank you.
Interviewee
Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.
Jennifer Levin
I had the privilege to work with today’s guest in one of my traumatic grief groups many months ago and was so moved to hear her acknowledge the growth and insight she has gained throughout her grief. In her story she addressed the both the pain she lived with before AND after the death something unique to addiction and perhaps mental illness. After time had passed, she allowed herself to recognize the relief and peace she felt for herself and her partner without having to living with trauma of addiction and being on constant alert for the next problem. Perhaps one of her greatest break throughs is in her ability to find a new way to stay connected to her partner today. In the interview we discussed how so many people struggle with the inability to let go of their connections to loved ones through pain. There is a need to guard and hold on to the pain associated with grieving loved one. Many people are not able transition from what our interviewee called this “preconceived notion of grief” or the chains of pain to finding new ways to stay relate and connect with loved ones while experiencing joy and happiness again in life.
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Our next podcast episode will be on Wednesday March 29th and will also be anonymous interview with a mother whose son died from COVID.
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